Learn Anything in the Off-Season??

[jdccpa]

Best way to do this, which I just learned this year: Instead of counting One-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, one-thousand-three, etc., count red-arrow-one, red-arrow-two.

No matter what you're counting (inbound 5-second, closely guarded, backcourt, FTs), use the "color-arrow" counting method and you'll automatically remind yourself every trip down the floor. [/B][/QUOTE]

Great idea!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by jdccpa
2) By rule, an airborne shooter is no longer an "airborne shooter" as soon as he/she returns to the floor(NFHS rule 4-1-1). If the basket is "good", the ball becomes immediately dead. After the ball becomes dead(after the shot) and the shooter is no longer airborne, any contact by the defender should be ignored unless it unless you rule it intentional or flagrant(NFHS rule 4-19-1NOTE). The "bonus" FT rule never comes into effect.

Just asking: So if the shooter has returned to the floor and is fouled (not intentional or flagrant) and the ball goes in. The foul is ignored.

What is the call if the shooter is fouled after returning to the floor and the ball does not go in.

If the ball does not go in the ball's not dead, so the foul could be any non-dead ball foul (if that makes sense).

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by jdccpa
2) By rule, an airborne shooter is no longer an "airborne shooter" as soon as he/she returns to the floor(NFHS rule 4-1-1). If the basket is "good", the ball becomes immediately dead. After the ball becomes dead(after the shot) and the shooter is no longer airborne, any contact by the defender should be ignored unless it unless you rule it intentional or flagrant(NFHS rule 4-19-1NOTE). The "bonus" FT rule never comes into effect.

Just asking: So if the shooter has returned to the floor and is fouled (not intentional or flagrant) and the ball goes in. The foul is ignored.

What is the call if the shooter is fouled after returning to the floor and the ball does not go in.

The dead ball occurs on the made basket and reverts to the officials whistle on the miss, but neither wipe out the foul.The ignored contact is about AFTER the ball is dead. In this situation you had a shot attempt released, contact on a non-airborne shooter i.e. a non-shooting foul, and a LIVE ball. The ball becomes dead when the basket is good or is missed, by rule contact at this point is ignored unless intentional or flagrant.

[Nevadaref]

Just make sure that you get the sequence of the two events correct:
1. Shot released, shooter returns to floor, he is fouled, ball then goes in. = basket good and penalize the foul with ball OOB or 1-and-1 or 2 FTs

2. Shot released, shooter returns to floor, ball goes in, lastly the foul occurs. = basket good, dead ball contact is ignored unless intentional or flagrant

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by blindzebra
The ball becomes dead when the basket is good or is missed

Are you saying that the ball becomes dead whether the shot goes in or not? If that's what you're saying, that's not correct.

The ball is dead after a made basket and becomes live again when it is at the disposal of the inbounder. If the shot is missed, the ball remains alive.

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Are you saying that the ball becomes dead whether the shot goes in or not? If that's what you're saying, that's not correct.

The ball is dead after a made basket and becomes live again when it is at the disposal of the inbounder. If the shot is missed, the ball remains alive.

I'm talking about this situation not every situation. In this case, we have a released try then a whistle, so the ball remains live until we find out about the try. It becomes dead when the shot goes in, or when it becomes a miss.

[ChuckElias]

Gotcha.

[garote]

I learned that the "T" in three man, needs to have a much more active role than I previously thought.

[ref18]

Originally posted by garote
I learned that the "T" in three man, needs to have a much more active role than I previously thought.

For a second there, I thought u were making reference to handing out technicals in threeman

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I heard of the T-fest from one of your partners. She was a little fuzzy on details. Email me the events, as well as any other positive feedback?

No, I left before the big to-do. I only threw 3 T's in the game you speak of (I came in second), my 4 T game was the evening before. Sorry I missed you before I left, I'll send you the details but the quick answer is neither. [/B][/QUOTE]So..........?? Whatinthehell happened, Slappy? Working on your game management skills again? Seven T's in two games? Wassup?

Et tu, Chuckie! How did your camp go?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Et tu, Chuckie! How did your camp go?

You should've gotten an email by now, JR. If not, drop me a note and I'll resend it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

You should've gotten an email by now, JR. If not, drop me a note and I'll resend it.

I got it. Just thought that others might wanna share your camp experience. Minus the tofu-eating and dietcoke-drinking, of course.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

No, I left before the big to-do. I only threw 3 T's in the game you speak of (I came in second), my 4 T game was the evening before. Sorry I missed you before I left, I'll send you the details but the quick answer is neither.

Wow! Sounds like you guys were really Dextering at that camp!

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I got it. Just thought that others might wanna share your camp experience. Minus the tofu-eating and dietcoke-drinking, of course.

Yea, Chuck, quit being modest! (hint, hint)

[Jimgolf]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Some evaluator's think that it is the sign of a good official not to make a 3-second call unless the player in the lane is gaining an advantage. I agree with them, not IAABO.

Although you should always go by what your evaluator says, I can't think of too many situations where the offensive player being in the lane for longer than 3 seconds doesn't in and of itself convey an advantage to the offense. It forces the defense to cover the post for a longer period of time than should be necessary, and forces defensive rebounders to box out for a longer period of time than they should have to. Just because the player who is offending doesn't score or rebound doesn't mean that the offense hasn't gained an advantage.

The only time that 3-second violations have no effect that I can think of is where the player is oblivious to being in the lane, or is stepping one foot out and in, even though the rules forbid this.

BTW, I'm not saying to go out of your way to look for petty violations, but if you see them, call them. That's what the whistle is for.

As I said, by all means follow the lead of the evaluator, since that's who is responsible for the assignments.