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ref18 Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:57pm

Well, we're getting into the last few weeks before the regular season starts.

Over the off-season, many of us have been to camps and clinics.

My question is, what would you say is the most important thing you learned in the offseason that you want to implement in your game as soon as the regular season starts??


For me, I've learned a lot about game management and dealing with the coaches. I'm too quick to dismiss the coach, warn him and then T him up. This season I'm gonna work on my "people" skills and try to diffuse the situation before I have to resort to throwing T's around.

blindzebra Tue Aug 31, 2004 03:47am

Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
Well, we're getting into the last few weeks before the regular season starts.

Over the off-season, many of us have been to camps and clinics.

My question is, what would you say is the most important thing you learned in the offseason that you want to implement in your game as soon as the regular season starts??


For me, I've learned a lot about game management and dealing with the coaches. I'm too quick to dismiss the coach, warn him and then T him up. This season I'm gonna work on my "people" skills and try to diffuse the situation before I have to resort to throwing T's around.

Good, we were afraid we'd need to start calling you Whackman.:D

jdccpa Tue Aug 31, 2004 06:15am

What I learned this summer
 
IAABO Camp: 1. Too many refs deciding which rules they will and will not enforce, i.e. 3 Sec violations. Some refs think it is a sign of a good official not to make this call - IAABO's position: "Call the early 3 Sec violations and be done with it for the remainder of the game". 2. If the airborne shooter is fouled after releasing the shot and one foot (or both) are on the floor the foul is "after the shot". (If basket is good and the offensive team is in the double bonus this could be a 5 point play.) 3. Too many refs are missing the carry when the ball handler goes behind his/her back with the ball. 4. Forget the rubber band etc on the wrist and/or the whistle in your pocket, keep the AP arrow in your head. You are more apt to forget to change the rubber band or the whistle. 5. On OOB plays, fouls by either team before you hand the ball to the player is a dead ball technical foul, fouls after you hand him/her the ball are live ball fouls. 6. Leave your whistle (s) attached to your shirts between game nights.


[Edited by jdccpa on Aug 31st, 2004 at 07:17 AM]

Jurassic Referee Tue Aug 31, 2004 07:18am

Quote:

Originally posted by jdccpa
IAABO Camp:
1. Too many refs deciding which rules they will and will not enforce, i.e. 3 Sec violations. Some refs think it is a sign of a good official not to make this call - IAABO's position: "Call the early 3 Sec violations and be done with it for the remainder of the game".
2. If the airborne shooter is fouled after releasing the shot and one foot (or both) are on the floor the foul is "after the shot". (If basket is good and the offensive team is in the double bonus this could be a 5 point play.)
6. Leave your whistle (s) attached to your shirts between game nights.



1) Some evaluator's think that it is the sign of a good official not to make a 3-second call unless the player in the lane is gaining an advantage. I agree with them, not IAABO.
2) By rule, an airborne shooter is no longer an "airborne shooter" as soon as he/she returns to the floor(NFHS rule 4-1-1). If the basket is "good", the ball becomes immediately dead. After the ball becomes dead(after the shot) and the shooter is no longer airborne, any contact by the defender should be ignored unless it unless you rule it intentional or flagrant(NFHS rule 4-19-1NOTE). The "bonus" FT rule never comes into effect.
3) You wash your whistles?

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Aug 31st, 2004 at 08:21 AM]

Ref in PA Tue Aug 31, 2004 07:20am

at my camp ...
 
Trusting partners more.
gained a better understanding of my area as the lead and covering the area during the flex.
positioning and angles.

Rickref Tue Aug 31, 2004 09:10am

From Dave Hall's Camp
1. As a lead in 3-man rotate early, as soon as the ball is at free throw line extended be ballside.
2. When a shot is taken, as the lead back out to where the three pt. line meets the basline to improve your angle during rebounding.
3. Work hard on officiating during dead balls (game management)

zebraman Tue Aug 31, 2004 09:47am

Re: What I learned this summer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by jdccpa
IAABO Camp: 1. Too many refs deciding which rules they will and will not enforce, i.e. 3 Sec violations. Some refs think it is a sign of a good official not to make this call - IAABO's position: "Call the early 3 Sec violations and be done with it for the remainder of the game".

As long as we have assignor's with power who have "preferences" that conflict with the preferences of the governing body (IAABO, NFHS, NCAA etc.), official's will do what their assignor's wish rather than their governing body. Official's will aim to please the person(s) most responsible for giving them quality games.

Z

JRutledge Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:36am

I did not just learn this, but a philosophy that I always make note of.

"What happen last year good or bad, happen last year."

No matter the successes or the failures, I cannot worry about what happen in the past.

Peace

ref18 Tue Aug 31, 2004 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally posted by blindzebra
Quote:

Originally posted by ref18
Well, we're getting into the last few weeks before the regular season starts.

Over the off-season, many of us have been to camps and clinics.

My question is, what would you say is the most important thing you learned in the offseason that you want to implement in your game as soon as the regular season starts??


For me, I've learned a lot about game management and dealing with the coaches. I'm too quick to dismiss the coach, warn him and then T him up. This season I'm gonna work on my "people" skills and try to diffuse the situation before I have to resort to throwing T's around.

Good, we were afraid we'd need to start calling you Whackman.:D

Whackman, eh? That has a nice ring to it :cool:

ChuckElias Tue Aug 31, 2004 04:54pm

Re: What I learned this summer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by jdccpa
4. Forget the rubber band etc on the wrist and/or the whistle in your pocket, keep the AP arrow in your head. You are more apt to forget to change the rubber band or the whistle.
Best way to do this, which I just learned this year: Instead of counting One-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, one-thousand-three, etc., count red-arrow-one, red-arrow-two.

No matter what you're counting (inbound 5-second, closely guarded, backcourt, FTs), use the "color-arrow" counting method and you'll automatically remind yourself every trip down the floor.

rainmaker Tue Aug 31, 2004 05:21pm

Re: Re: What I learned this summer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Best way to do this, which I just learned this year: Instead of counting One-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, one-thousand-three, etc., count red-arrow-one, red-arrow-two.

No matter what you're counting (inbound 5-second, closely guarded, backcourt, FTs), use the "color-arrow" counting method and you'll automatically remind yourself every trip down the floor.

Great idea!! That is, as long as what you're repeating over and over to yourself is correct...

Dan_ref Tue Aug 31, 2004 06:41pm

Re: Re: What I learned this summer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by jdccpa
4. Forget the rubber band etc on the wrist and/or the whistle in your pocket, keep the AP arrow in your head. You are more apt to forget to change the rubber band or the whistle.
Best way to do this, which I just learned this year: Instead of counting One-thousand-one, one-thousand-two, one-thousand-three, etc., count red-arrow-one, red-arrow-two.

No matter what you're counting (inbound 5-second, closely guarded, backcourt, FTs), use the "color-arrow" counting method and you'll automatically remind yourself every trip down the floor.

After your last game and a shower, you decide to jump in the car with some folks & head down to the local grill (and bar) for a light salad and a few liquid carbs. As you sit there pretty much minding your own business a camp director offers to buy you a shot of your favorite adult beverage to thank you for the 4 T's you handed out during a game he was responsible for. It's impolite to refuse, it's downright inhuman to not buy a second round. What I learned: leave the bar after that second one.

ChuckElias Tue Aug 31, 2004 06:47pm

Re: Re: Re: What I learned this summer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
After your last game and a shower, you decide to jump in the car with some folks & head down to the local grill (and bar) for a light salad and a few liquid carbs. As you sit there pretty much minding your own business a camp director offers to buy you a shot of your favorite adult beverage to thank you for the 4 T's you handed out during a game he was responsible for.
So wait a minute! Did you stay for graduation? I looked all over and didn't see you! Didn't even get to say so long!

Who bought the first round? The director of the officials camp or of the players camp?

I heard of the T-fest from one of your partners. She was a little fuzzy on details. Email me the events, as well as any other positive feedback?

Dan_ref Tue Aug 31, 2004 07:00pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: What I learned this summer
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
After your last game and a shower, you decide to jump in the car with some folks & head down to the local grill (and bar) for a light salad and a few liquid carbs. As you sit there pretty much minding your own business a camp director offers to buy you a shot of your favorite adult beverage to thank you for the 4 T's you handed out during a game he was responsible for.
So wait a minute! Did you stay for graduation? I looked all over and didn't see you! Didn't even get to say so long!

Who bought the first round? The director of the officials camp or of the players camp?

I heard of the T-fest from one of your partners. She was a little fuzzy on details. Email me the events, as well as any other positive feedback?

No, I left before the big to-do. I only threw 3 T's in the game you speak of (I came in second), my 4 T game was the evening before. Sorry I missed you before I left, I'll send you the details but the quick answer is neither.

jdccpa Tue Aug 31, 2004 07:02pm

2) By rule, an airborne shooter is no longer an "airborne shooter" as soon as he/she returns to the floor(NFHS rule 4-1-1). If the basket is "good", the ball becomes immediately dead. After the ball becomes dead(after the shot) and the shooter is no longer airborne, any contact by the defender should be ignored unless it unless you rule it intentional or flagrant(NFHS rule 4-19-1NOTE). The "bonus" FT rule never comes into effect.

Just asking: So if the shooter has returned to the floor and is fouled (not intentional or flagrant) and the ball goes in. The foul is ignored.

What is the call if the shooter is fouled after returning to the floor and the ball does not go in.





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