Game

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by just another ref

Sometimes, especially when your are new and feeling your way, between the time you see the call and the time you blow the whistle, a fan or coach will shout out the call.
"Travel!" This will often cause one to hesitate even a moment longer. By now the action has proceeded far enough that it is easy to think "too late now," and forget it, even though the call may have been obvious, to you and everyone else. Blow the whistle, even though it may seem veeery late. There is no time limit on getting something right. Also, when you do blow a late whistle after a verbal call from one side, the other side will invariably say, "You're letting them call the game!" This is usually not worthy of a response.

Sometimes it depends on what they are yelling. I'd never recommend calling 3 seconds right after a coach screamed it.

Funny how my count usually returns to ONE when that happens.

[mick]

Originally posted by blindzebra
I'd never recommend calling 3 seconds right after a coach screamed it.

Calling three seconds right after a coach's yell is not uncommon for me.
Because I'll start a little later than "immediately", it does not surprise me when they yell a second or so before me.

I never have a plan for purposely mis-calling a play due to a coach's verbosity. It would not feel fair to me, and I am there for fair.

mick

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by mick


I never have a plan for purposely mis-calling a play due to a coach's verbosity. It would not feel fair to me, and I am there for fair.

mick

I do. I have no problem with letting something go when the coach yells for it. Right after, I will tell the coach, "I was just about to call that, but you beat me to it. Hopefully, it won't happen again."
They get the message very quickly, and since we miss a few every game, I don't think that one more means the game is now unfair.
In the long run, this tactic is usually more than worth it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

I do. I have no problem with letting something go when the coach yells for it. Right after, I will tell the coach, "I was just about to call that, but you beat me to it. Hopefully, it won't happen again."
They get the message very quickly, and since we miss a few every game, I don't think that one more means the game is now unfair.
In the long run, this tactic is usually more than worth it.

Disagree completely. Missing a call on purpose is just not right. I always thought that the idea of the game was to miss as few calls as possible, not to miss them on purpose. If you don't want a coach yapping at you, why don't you just simply use the rules that were very specifically written to take care of the situation? You know, like a warning, and then a T? Why do you think that the FED put in a rule like R10-4-1(b) anyway- "Bench personnel shall not commit an unsporting foul....such as attempting to influence an official's decision"? You're probably gonna end up Ting the coach up anyway after he hears your smarta$$ answer.

[Snake~eyes]

I agree with JR, intentionally missing a call is wrong.. totally wrong.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Disagree completely. Missing a call on purpose is just not right. I always thought that the idea of the game was to miss as few calls as possible, not to miss them on purpose. If you don't want a coach yapping at you, why don't you just simply use the rules that were very specifically written to take care of the situation? You know, like a warning, and then a T? Why do you think that the FED put in a rule like R10-4-1(b) anyway- "Bench personnel shall not commit an unsporting foul....such as attempting to influence an official's decision"? You're probably gonna end up Ting the coach up anyway after he hears your smarta$$ answer.

Most coaches that I have encountered would rather have me let the play go uncalled and the smarta$$ comment than receive a T.
Besides reffing wouldn't be any fun otherwise!
BTW, I have also used, "Coach, you got the call that time, but if you yell at me again, it's a T."
I guess that sometimes I'm just not up for being a smarta$$.

And I don't believe for a minute that you have ever made the correct call and then turned around and T'd the coach who was yelling for that 5-second violation or foul that went in his favor.

[Robmoz]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

I do. I have no problem with letting something go when the coach yells for it. Right after, I will tell the coach, "I was just about to call that, but you beat me to it. Hopefully, it won't happen again."
They get the message very quickly, and since we miss a few every game, I don't think that one more means the game is now unfair.
In the long run, this tactic is usually more than worth it.

You are Disgraceful.......simply disgraceful!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

I do. I have no problem with letting something go when the coach yells for it. Right after, I will tell the coach, "I was just about to call that, but you beat me to it. Hopefully, it won't happen again."
They get the message very quickly, and since we miss a few every game, I don't think that one more means the game is now unfair.
In the long run, this tactic is usually more than worth it.

This is just plain wrong.

If you let the coach influence your calls either way then you aint doing your job.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

I do. I have no problem with letting something go when the coach yells for it. Right after, I will tell the coach, "I was just about to call that, but you beat me to it. Hopefully, it won't happen again."
They get the message very quickly, and since we miss a few every game, I don't think that one more means the game is now unfair.
In the long run, this tactic is usually more than worth it.

Nevada --

I've been tempted to do it the way you're describing, but I try not to. Rather, I'll say to the coach, "Look, if I'm not coaching, you're not reffing." Or, "It's easier for me to call a good game, if you're not yelling at me." Or, "I got it, coach, next time let me do it by myself." Or the one I like the best, "Since you called it, they haven't done it again!"

The other thing I've done once or twice (I know this is low, but it sure felt good at the time) with regard to three seconds, is to call it just as the screaming coach's team has tipped the ball to out beyond the key for a great fast-break set-up. Not much he can say, and he doesn't yell again!

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by mick

Calling three seconds right after a coach's yell is not uncommon for me.
Because I'll start a little later than "immediately", it does not surprise me when they yell a second or so before me.

I never have a plan for purposely mis-calling a play due to a coach's verbosity. It would not feel fair to me, and I am there for fair.

mick

Fair is calling what needs to be called as evenly as possible.

99% of the time when a coach is screaming for 3 seconds, it's been 2 seconds or less, the kid is attempting to leave the lane, there is nobody even IN the lane, or there is a kid with half their foot inside the free throw line.

Most of us are much more concerned with post play and screening action to closely watch for 3 seconds, and when we do see it we all try to NOT call it by talking the player out of the lane.

This is a non-issue in my opinion.

Had I said, "I don't recommend calling a foul when the coach is yelling for it," then you'd have a case.

[mick]

Originally posted by blindzebra


Had I said, "I don't recommend calling a foul when the coach is yelling for it," then you'd have a case.

Blinzebra,
What case?

mick

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by mick

Blinzebra,
What case?

mick

About passing on a 3 second call being unfair.

[mick]

Originally posted by blindzebra

About passing on a 3 second call being unfair.

It would not feel fair to me.
What case?

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by mick

It would not feel fair to me.
What case?

About FAIRNESS. 3 seconds is the least called rule in the book, we all go out of our way to try not to call it, so how is it a moral dilemma to pass on calling it if the coach is screaming for it?

On an obvious foul, you have a point, but on 3 seconds there is no case...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by blindzebra

About FAIRNESS. 3 seconds is the least called rule in the book, we all go out of our way to try not to call it, so how is it a moral dilemma to pass on calling it if the coach is screaming for it?

On an obvious foul, you have a point, but on 3 seconds there is no case...

I agree with mick, and I think that you're still missing his point. If 3 seconds is the proper call to be made because someone in the lane is gaining an unfair advantage, then the call SHOULD be made- no matter what either coach might have to say about it. That's fair. If 3 seconds was NEVER called, then you might have a case. Deliberately not making a call however, ANY call, just because a coach might happen to be calling for you to make that call, is wrong. You call what happens, and then deal with the coach as a separate issue.