"blank" camp

[mick]

Originally posted by FrankHtown
This is an interesting topic. On one hand, there is a school that says pass on the small stuff. But won't players get to a point that if they feel the referee is not protecting them, they will start protecting themselves, so the small stuff moves up a notch to chippie play, which then escalates to retaliation, which leads to fights? The "for want of a nail.." syndrome. On the other hand, I don't want to be blowing the whistle all night for every perceived foul. How do you experienced refs strike a balance?

FrankHtown,
Welcome to the forum.

Take another look at tomegun's SBQR.
That's been a staple for Women's hoops for a coupla years and is a relatively easy benchmark for making a judgement "on ball".

Off ball requires more of an effect on the fouled player (ie, displacement, arresting of normal movement by hand and arm stuff)
mick

[lrpalmer3]

Originally posted by tomegun
I would have to disagree with this line of thinking.

I will remove the blank. The camp was the Nike invitational camp ran by the ACC supervisor with the SEC and NBA supervisors in attendance. We broke down tape as a group for a couple of games. One of the games we watched was the ACC final with two of the three officials in the room. The philosophy of SBQ and rough play are kept distinctly different.

An example of rough play would be a post player without the ball getting dislodged with a knee or two hands that is not called. There was a game like this and the evaluator stressed that there should have been fouls called. There were several games where the evaluators said there should have been more fouls called in the post. There was also a game where the offensive player with the ball was pushed in the back with two hands and still completed the basket (the defender actually pushed him towards the hoop). This led to some trash talk after the score. The evaluator said this should of at least been an intentional foul.

On the other hand, there were several "and ones" called that the evaluators thought should have been passed on. Also situations where they thought a delayed whistle would have allowed the play to finish without a foul due to the end result being a basket was scored or the player was allowed to go where they intended or pass the ball.

At this level of camps, you would (I would at least) think that it would be a "show me what you got" mentality. We had to do that with the added benefit of being taught a lot of the small things by some of the best officials on the East coast both college and pro. It was great experience and I felt fortunate to be there.

You're such a name dropper.