Both Players are in Control of Ball = Foul or Jumpball?

[blindzebra]

Originally posted by pljson
I've heard both sides of the argument. I'm hoping to get the official call on whether it's a foul or not.

I believe you can "hug" (read: pin) the ball against the offensive player while not fouling.

Here's what I want to know:

Is it a cut and dry (automatic) foul every single time?

Or

Do you have to determine IF a foul is committed?

What's the call if it happens in the NBA.

Yes, anything is possible. You may have a player with freakishly long and flexible arms that may pull off the play as described, but it is unlikely.

I've watched some officials working frosh/JV girls, while waiting for my varsity game. We are on the 20th held ball in the first half and the game is on pace to be 3 hours long. My advice at halftime, if the tie up ain't on the floor during a loose ball, it had better be from the front if the players are upright.

A kid coming across the arms from the side or hugging from behind is more than likely contacting the player with the ball. Add that the movement after you get four hands on the ball, from those defensive positions, causes contact that looks illegal by the defender and everyone "sees" a foul; the game will be better served by calling a foul and not a held ball.

That is unless you want 60 held balls.