Giving coaches technical fouls

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rockyroad
Mick, what paperwork are you referring to?? I have been involved in the ejection of several coaches over the years, both HS and above, and have never had to do more than report to my supervisor or assignor.

Rocky, in my HS and college games, we are required to fill out an ejection sheet, whether it's for a player or for a coach. For HS, the home school's AD gets a copy and the state athletic association gets a copy. For college, my assignor gets a copy and the ECAC office gets a copy.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by rockyroad


Mick, what paperwork are you referring to?? I have been involved in the ejection of several coaches over the years, both HS and above, and have never had to do more than report to my supervisor or assignor. Maybe they handled paperwork, but I have never done more than make some phone calls...

I will not speak just for Mick, but any ejection in my state and even some college conferences require a report to be filed. Any ejection of a coach, player or fan in my state the officials have to file a report with the IHSA for all HS games. I think that is the case in most states.

Originally posted by rockyroad

and to respond to JRut, there may be more questions about the T's, but if the T was deserved, those quaestions are followed by a "Good job" type comment...only once was I second-guessed about a T (in a college game), and my partners both heard what was said and backed me up so it worked out fine...

You just proved my point. If it was just another call, why are you having to talk to an assignor about it? I cannot ever think of a time I had to explain a foul call early in a game. I have had to explain a ruling I have made during a game, but never just a foul call I have made.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by RookieDude
[/B]

Many of these Coaches watch Bobby Knight type coaches on television and see this as some sort of inspiration for themselves. They see these coaches getting away with stuff that is totally inappropriate in an AAU/Middle School setting.

[/B][/QUOTE]Agree completely, Dude. And I think that the same holds true for some of their players. They see NCAA or NBA players on TV questioning calls, or putting on a little show- and they think that it's OK for them to do the exact same thing.

Ever notice that the sharper or better the coach, the less that they also usually have to say to you? And when they do say something, it's usually reasonable or logical? And when they're done saying it ONCE to you, they don't try to give instant replay on the same thing your next 3 trips by them? It seems to me that the coaches that still aren't sure which end of a basketball is the bouncy end are usually the ones that want to spend more of their time yapping at the officials than they do actually coaching or teaching their players.

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Ever notice that the sharper or better the coach, the less that they also usually have to say to you? And when they do say something, it's usually reasonable or logical?

Absolutely...and part of the reason is that the sharp coaches know they have a sharp referee!

Sheesh, I'm going to have to stop agreeing so much with King JR...I'm going to ruin what little reputation I may have.

Just funnin' about the King thing...
"Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown."

[rockyroad]

Interesting...as I said, I've never filled out paperwork, just called supervisors and told them what happened. They must fill out any paperwork and send it in based on what I tell them over the phone...hmmm...

[RookieDude]

Originally posted by rockyroad
Interesting...as I said, I've never filled out paperwork, just called supervisors and told them what happened. They must fill out any paperwork and send it in based on what I tell them over the phone...hmmm...

Ditto!

[mick]

Originally posted by RookieDude

Ditto!

Maybe it's a *Wild, Wild West* thingy.
mick

[lrpalmer3]

Originally posted by mick

Jimgolf,
I've heard coaches do that (ie, say they did it for the team inspiration.) I just don't believe it.

I think they are trying to excuse their idiocy, inappropriate behavior and lack of motivational and teaching skills.

Bovine Scat!

mick

I've only been reffing one year, but I've attended A LOT of games of all levels in my lifetime. I can alwasy tell (from the stands) when a coach wants to get T'd for motivation sake. Sadly, it works as often as it fails, especially when it's the home team with the home crowd. You may not want to believe it, and I understand why, but you'd be kidding yourself.

Some coaches see T's like we see them, it's just a call. So if they can use that call to inspire their team, I don't have a problem with it. That's not childish or idiotic to me.

[mick]

Originally posted by lrpalmer3

I've only been reffing one year, but I've attended A LOT of games of all levels in my lifetime. I can alwasy tell (from the stands) when a coach wants to get T'd for motivation sake. Sadly, it works as often as it fails, especially when it's the home team with the home crowd. You may not want to believe it, and I understand why, but you'd be kidding yourself.

Some coaches see T's like we see them, it's just a call. So if they can use that call to inspire their team, I don't have a problem with it. That's not childish or idiotic to me.

One man's stuff is another's bread and butter.
mick

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by lrpalmer3

I've only been reffing one year, but I've attended A LOT of games of all levels in my lifetime. I can alwasy tell (from the stands) when a coach wants to get T'd for motivation sake. Sadly, it works as often as it fails, especially when it's the home team with the home crowd. You may not want to believe it, and I understand why, but you'd be kidding yourself.

Some coaches see T's like we see them, it's just a call. So if they can use that call to inspire their team, I don't have a problem with it. That's not childish or idiotic to me.

If it's JUST another call, how come they never tell their point guard to double dribble to inspire their team?

[lrpalmer3]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

If it's JUST another call, how come they never tell their point guard to double dribble to inspire their team?

Because they've never seen that particular method work in the past. But you know coaches, they'll try ANYTHING they think will work. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised to hear that a coach has tried that.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by mick

Maybe it's a *Wild, Wild West* thingy.
mick

LOL! You know, it might be the Colt Peacemaker I have strapped to my hip while I'm reffing that keeps the coaches calm...or possibly the sawed-off 12-gauge I hand to the timer to keep under the bar, errr, table...

[dblref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Rocky, in my HS and college games, we are required to fill out an ejection sheet, whether it's for a player or for a coach. For HS, the home school's AD gets a copy and the state athletic association gets a copy. For college, my assignor gets a copy and the ECAC office gets a copy.

My association has a senior varsity official assigned to handle all T's. By this I mean that if I give a T in a scholastic game, I have to call that individual the same night and report it. If I have an ejection, I have to notify my assignor and fill out a written report within 24 hours.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by mick
Maybe it's a *Wild, Wild West* thingy.
mick

Nope. In Portland, for an ejection, we have to fill out a written form, although it's now available on the internet, and we can do it on line. Actually, the R has to do it. Even if the U did the actual tossing.

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by dblref
My association has a senior varsity official assigned to handle all T's. By this I mean that if I give a T in a scholastic game, I have to call that individual the same night and report it. If I have an ejection, I have to notify my assignor and fill out a written report within 24 hours.

Are these only the Ts for sportsmanship matters? I am assuming you don't have to report a T for a number not being in the book. How about a player violating the plane twice?