unofficial signals - Page 2

mick · #16 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 12:52pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by Snake~eyes
How bout when you use this signal and your partner comes up with a foul? Has the same problem as the tip signal. :/

That's a good point. Hmmm...

Let me get back to you on that one. And while I'm thinking, maybe someone could bail me out?

If the safe signal is used, it is used in a delayed response to the "Oohs" and "Aahs" from fans, which allows a polite distance, in time, from potential partner participation.
mick

Mark Padgett · #17 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 12:53pm

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Originally posted by RefAHallic
Mark, how do you indicate the violation?

You make the "no shot (wave off)" signal with your arms, then point to the shooter (I usually point toward the feet) while saying "Violation on the shooter - the ball didn't hit the rim".

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Maybe the swirlie should be adopted. Let's adopt the swirlie.

No, let's leave it in foster care where it belongs.

mick · #18 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 01:04pm

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Originally posted by JRutledge
I will do the tip signal if there is a pass that is out of bounds and not everyone sees the tip by the defender. I will even point to the defender that tipped the ball as well.

Rut,
I advise new officials to avoid the "foul tip" signal.
My reasoning is that although everyone knows you were on that play, then what should it mean when you do not use the signal the next time, ...that you missed it?

["Last time he knew it was tipped, but this time he isn't sure"]

I suggest merely pointing the direction, "they" will believe you, or not, and regardless, the ball is still going "That way."

mick

blindzebra · #19 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 02:50pm

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Originally posted by mick

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Originally posted by JRutledge
I will do the tip signal if there is a pass that is out of bounds and not everyone sees the tip by the defender. I will even point to the defender that tipped the ball as well.

Rut,
I advise new officials to avoid the "foul tip" signal.
My reasoning is that although everyone knows you were on that play, then what should it mean when you do not use the signal the next time, ...that you missed it?

["Last time he knew it was tipped, but this time he isn't sure"]

I suggest merely pointing the direction, "they" will believe you, or not, and regardless, the ball is still going "That way."
mick

The NF actually approved the signal for cases of a pass that comes from lead's corner that is tipped and goes to the back court. Lead is supposed to come up with the foul tip signal to aide trail's call for a back court violation.

It was in the illustrated POE booklet the year before last, I believe.

Dan_ref · #20 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 03:26pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett

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Originally posted by RefAHallic
Mark, how do you indicate the violation?

You make the "no shot (wave off)" signal with your arms, then point to the shooter (I usually point toward the feet) while saying "Violation on the shooter - the ball didn't hit the rim".

Uhmmmm....Mark...?

Is pointing at the shooter an approved signal or mechanic?

Mark Padgett · #21 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 03:28pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Uhmmmm....Mark...?

Is pointing at the shooter an approved signal or mechanic?

Yes. I approved it.

mick · #22 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 03:32pm

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Originally posted by blindzebra
The NF actually approved the signal for cases of a pass that comes from lead's corner that is tipped and goes to the back court. Lead is supposed to come up with the foul tip signal to aide trail's call for a back court violation.

It was in the illustrated POE booklet the year before last, I believe.

...And here I sit, with all my Fed books loaned out, unable to verify that item.
mick

Dan_ref · #23 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 03:38pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

Uhmmmm....Mark...?

Is pointing at the shooter an approved signal or mechanic?

Yes. I approved it.

Oh geeze, thank goodness...you had me really worried there for a second.

ref18 · #24 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 04:18pm

I use the "tipped" signal, and I think its a horrible habit. The main problem is that from where i'm standing the play might look like a tip, but in reality from another angle its a foul, and my partner calls it. It looks horrible when both people make different calls. If the "tip" should be used, it should be used immediately after you blow the whistle for an out of bounds call, indicating that the ball was last tipped. Otherwise, common sense dictates that if there's no foul you won't call anything.

blindzebra · #25 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 04:30pm

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Originally posted by ref18
I use the "tipped" signal, and I think its a horrible habit. The main problem is that from where i'm standing the play might look like a tip, but in reality from another angle its a foul, and my partner calls it. It looks horrible when both people make different calls. If the "tip" should be used, it should be used immediately after you blow the whistle for an out of bounds call, indicating that the ball was last tipped. Otherwise, common sense dictates that if there's no foul you won't call anything.

I have no problem with the tip signal in situations where the ball is tipped coming from YOUR primary and goes OOB or back court in your partner's area.

It should NEVER be used on shots, to indicate a blocked shot.

JRutledge · #26 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 06:49pm

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Originally posted by mick
...And here I sit, with all my Fed books loaned out, unable to verify that item.
mick

I am usually pretty good about mechanics and knowing what the NF and NCAA has allowed and I have not seen this one. But I have used it so long, I do not need the NF to approve it to use it.

Peace

JRutledge · #27 (**permalink**) Wed Jun 16, 2004, 06:53pm

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Originally posted by blindzebra

It should NEVER be used on shots, to indicate a blocked shot.

Which is the very reason I never use it during these times.

Peace

icallfouls · #28 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 17, 2004, 12:48pm

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Originally posted by Tee
At the risk of being wrong; is the "not closely guarded" wave in the books for any level? I'm pretty sure it is not in there for high school.

As far as non standard mechs. Here are a couple of others I have questions about. Are they approved at any level?

The fists for a block call at the spot of foul.

The 2 finger count, (Instead of using the whole hand)for a 10 second or closely guarded count.

Tee,

In college there is a "not closely guarded" signal, for NFHS there is none.

Damian · #29 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 17, 2004, 02:14pm

I use a special signal to my partner. Its called the Village Idiot signal. During a time out when I have a howler monkey in the crowd, I face my partner and show him 1 finger from my left hand and two from my right. From his view it is a V I.

Usually gets a laugh.

Totally unprofessional and not used much, and I wouldn't recommend it.

Mark Padgett · #30 (**permalink**) Thu Jun 17, 2004, 03:46pm

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Originally posted by Damian
I use a special signal to my partner. Its called the Village Idiot signal. During a time out when I have a howler monkey in the crowd, I face my partner and show him 1 finger from my left hand and two from my right. From his view it is a V I.

Usually gets a laugh.

Totally unprofessional and not used much, and I wouldn't recommend it.

Which finger on your left hand do you use?