10 Second Violation

[ScottParks]

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I could not find it on a search.

#1. A1 is dribbling in BC. B1 knocks the ball away. A1 recovers in BC. Does the 10 second count restart?

#2. A1 dribbling in BC. B1 knocks ball out of bounds. Does the 10 sec. count restart?

#3. A1 dribbling in BC. Time out called and granted. Does 10 sec. count restart upon completion of throw-in into BC?

#4. A1 dribbling in BC. B1 grabs ball, then A1 steals ball back. Does 10 sec count restart?

Where in the rulebook of officials manual is this clearly documented (or do I need a casebook also).

#1 suspend count the pick up where left off when A recovers.
#2 New 10 second count
#3 New 10 second count
#4 New 10 second count

NFHS Case book 9.8.a-c

[glind]

#1: Don't restart count, team B never had control.

#2: Yes restart count, any time you have a new throw in start new count.

#3: Yes restart count, same as above.

#4: Yes restart count, team B gain control and then team A took it back.

casebook 9.8c answers the timeout and the ball out of bounds question.

The other two I haven't found yet.
Someone help me out.

[co2ice]

Parkssa: Casebook 9.98c covers the time-out and B deflecting the ball oob. I'd say in all but #1 the count starts over but in that case possession was never ended by A so you would continue the count.
1 no
2 yes
3 yes
4 yes

[glind]

Supperef do you really suspend the count until A recovers? I thought team A is still in control in the backcourt so the count should continue.

I'm not sure though, just a thought.

[mick]

Originally posted by glind
Supperef do you really suspend the count until A recovers? I thought team A is still in control in the backcourt so the count should continue.

I'm not sure though, just a thought.

glind,
You and co2 got it right, based on continuous team control.
mick

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Suppref
#1 suspend count the pick up where left off when A recovers.
NFHS Case book 9.8.a-c

Sup, hopefully you'll reconsider this one. Since there is no loss of TEAM control, the count should continue. I had one of these a couple of years ago in a playoff game. The coach went nuts. My partner asked him, "Was there a loss of team control, Coach?" He quietly sat down. Don't penalize the defense for a nice play by starting the count over.

Due to the reaction I may have the interpretation wrong. I thought that just like 3 seconds, a loose ball suspended the count. Thanks for the heads up! When I get the answer I'll post another reply.

By the way this automatic e-mail notification is great!!!

I humbley ask forgiveness for posting false information. Contrary to popular belief from the recent coaches poll, there are many knowledgeable officials out there. I called my board interpreter, his answer was, a TEAM has 10 seconds to get the ball into the frontcourt but an individual player has 3 seconds in the lane. Do not suspend 10 second count on loose ball, but do suspend 3 second count on loose ball. This website will make me a better official.
Thanks again.

[BigDave]

...you are now authorized to submit informative posts again.

[mick]

Originally posted by Suppref
I humbley ask forgiveness for posting false information. Contrary to popular belief from the recent coaches poll, there are many knowledgeable officials out there. I called my board interpreter, his answer was, a TEAM has 10 seconds to get the ball into the frontcourt but an individual player has 3 seconds in the lane. Do not suspend 10 second count on loose ball, but do suspend 3 second count on loose ball. This website will make me a better official.
Thanks again.

Suppref,
But we can end a 3 sec. on an interrupted dribble, yo?
mick

The count shall not begin or it shall be terminated during an interrupted dribble.

[mick]

Originally posted by Suppref
The count shall not begin or it shall be terminated during an interrupted dribble.

Suppref,
Is there a rule where we actually suspend (that is, stop and then re-start at the point of suspension) the count somewhere?
mick

Mick,
I can't say as I've ever seen it in black and white. I'll try to get back to our interpreter but during one of our clinics he told us if A1 has the ball in the lane and he loses control/fumbles, suspend the count, if he recovers he better shoot or get out of there. When I get a clear answer I'll re-post.

[PAULK1]

There is a provision in the casebook at the end of
9.7b for suspension of the 3 sec count for a player with the ball in the restricted area. This allows that player who may have been in the lane then got the ball a chance for a try.
When this happens you suspend the count if the palyer attempts a try no penalty if they pass hit em with the 3.