I blew it!

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Juassic Referee:

It is not "my own personal theory" because it is NOT a "do over." Except for subsitute free throws and one situation in the NCAA Women's Rules (which I cannot think of at the moment and I have too many other things going at the moment to look it up), there are no "do overs" in NFHS, NCAA Men's/Women's, and FIBA (not counting the 1972 Olympics Gold Medal Game farce). So give it a rest. You cannot have a "do over."

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Are you kidding? No "do overs"? A1 has the ball OOB for a throw-in with 2 seconds left in the game, and throws a long pass in bounds to A2. While the ball is in the air, the horn goes off. Game over, right Mark, because there isn't any "do overs"? Oh, my! [/B][/QUOTE]


Thats not a "do over." Team A gets the ball nearest the spot where the ball was when the horn sounded with two seconds on the clock.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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You cannot have a "do over."

[/B][/QUOTE]Are you kidding? No "do overs"? A1 has the ball OOB for a throw-in with 2 seconds left in the game, and throws a long pass in bounds to A2. While the ball is in the air, the horn goes off. Game over, right Mark, because there isn't any "do overs"? Oh, my! [/B][/QUOTE]


Thats not a "do over." Team A gets the ball nearest the spot where the ball was when the horn sounded with two seconds on the clock.
[/B][/QUOTE]Uh, no Mark. The ball's in the air on a throw-in with 2 seconds left in a period. The timer starts the clock early before the ball is touched in bounds. The horn goes off with the ball still in the air and NO time on the clock. Happens all the time. Now please tell me again that "you cannot have a do over" as you stated above.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jun 9th, 2004 at 10:29 PM]

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
OK, let's recap once more:

A1 takes ball out, passes to A2 OOB, clock improperly starts. A2 passes in to A3 (clock should have properly started now), dribble dribble shot horn...

Ok, I now see where our difficulty is. Apparently, for some strange reason, you actually read the original post! See, if you just go by what you remember from last year's deleted post, then you'll see that my interpretation is exactly correct.

Now, being prompted by your recap, and having read the original post, I can see why you don't like my solution. In the old thread, the horn sounded as the inbounds player caught the ball. But that didn't happen here.

The original poster seems to have realized his incorrect chop. So I would hope, if it had been me in the situation, that I would've looked to see if the clock had started or not, as you suggested earlier.

If I didn't check the clock, then I guess the question is, how did he know that it started improperly? Never mind.

Ok, horn goes off and I'm then told that the clock started incorrectly. What to do?

Ball out of bounds wherever it was when the horn sounded with one second on the clock. B/c, as I will tell the coaches, my count was at 2 when the horn went off. Was it really at two? Did I really have a count?

In the immortal words of Fletch, "As far as you know".

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

Where do you get that interpretation? There is absolutely nothing that specifies the amount of time that must come off the clock when someone cotrols the ball. It only specifies how much time there must be to both control AND shoot. I assert that the shooting motion takes more than 0% of that time and probably the majority of the time.

So you're saying that you could control the ball in 0.2 seconds, but it would take another 0.2 seconds to let go of it again?

I guess I'm figuring that if the minimum time required to control and shoot is 0.4 seconds, then it takes 0.3 to simply catch it. That would make the release of the ball 25% of the total time, not 0%.

Honestly, I'm following the NBA's logic on this b/c they allow a catch-and-shoot with 0.3 seconds showing. And they also mandate that any time the ball is caught inbounds, no less than 0.2 can come off the clock.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

So you're saying that you could control the ball in 0.2 seconds, but it would take another 0.2 seconds to let go of it again?

I guess I'm figuring that if the minimum time required to control and shoot is 0.4 seconds, then it takes 0.3 to simply catch it. That would make the release of the ball 25% of the total time, not 0%.

Honestly, I'm following the NBA's logic on this b/c they allow a catch-and-shoot with 0.3 seconds showing. And they also mandate that any time the ball is caught inbounds, no less than 0.2 can come off the clock.

There's the problem, Chuck. You're guessing. You don't know for sure whether it's 0.2, 0.3, 0.4....seconds to catch and control. The rules won't allow you to guess though. The only way that you can correct by rule is to have definite information. You don't have definite information.