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Hawks Coach Tue Jan 09, 2001 06:59am

Re: Principal of Verticality.
 
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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
And it should be remembered that if B1 has control of the ball when the contact occurs and you are going to call the foul, it has to be a player control foul on B1.
Excellent point, and one that is obvious when stated, but I didn't think of it until you said it. It's such a bang-bang play, most probably wouldn't think PC, especially on a rebound.

Indy_Ref Tue Jan 09, 2001 08:51am

Yes, and you know what coach...
 
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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
INDY - You come from the land of every ref's favorite coach - surely I can never equal his standard for yelling at refs;) so whatever I do, by the Indiana standard it won't be a yell!

However, if I see you on the court and this happens, I'll be sure to scream OVER THE BACK REF as loud as I can!

Many of the HS coaches think that they are the second coming of said favorite coach! I don't mind a coach standing up and "chanting" the whole game as long as it isn't disrespectful or malicious. If he becomes a problem, I give him the "hand". If he goes over the limit, he gets a "T". My tolerance level is very high...maybe to my DIS-advantage.

I believe the coach does MUCH, MUCH more for his team if he's coaching rather than talking to the officials the whole game.

Hawks Coach Tue Jan 09, 2001 12:00pm

As you probably guessed, I don't yell at refs. Never quite understood the point. I will raise some issues, but I let them call the game. Actually, the best coaches I see (and I have yet to reach that status) tend to say very little to their players as well. You teach in practice - if you spend your game yelling, you obviously didn't teach enough before the game.

Players have a lot of "noise" in game, most of it visual, and if you yell the entire game, they are unlikely to hear and react to much of what you say. I have cut by half or 2/3 what I say to players during a game, and could still cut backmore . I am always amazed when I ask a player "didn't you hear me say _____" and they give me that blank stare. They no more can hear me than see the open player in the blocks or the double team that is just about to occur. If they do hear me, it can disrupt their thought process, they may not have time to react, etc. Let refs ref and players play, make your adjustments on the bench/ during TOs/ between quarters and you are really a coach.

Art N Tue Jan 09, 2001 12:25pm

For those of you who thought the foul would be on F (the player in front)... how are you going to call it when F has the BALL and is going up LATER than B's premature jump (due to the awesome head fake)with his hands and arms extended over F's vertical and F CAUSES the contact? I hope you call the foul on B. Then why not of the rebound fellas? Just curious.

rainmaker Wed Jan 10, 2001 09:15am

Re: Yes, and you know what coach...
 
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Originally posted by Indy_Ref
I believe the coach does MUCH, MUCH more for his team if he's coaching rather than talking to the officials the whole game.
I actually saw this principal illustrated in vivid (livid?) color last Saturday. Whenever the coach was busy coaching, the team would get almost caught up, but as soon as he started screaming at the refs, they would fall behind. Why didn't the parents notice and point it out to him? I refrained from "coaching" him as I was pretty sure he wasn't going to be receptive!


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