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I'm going to love the new hit signal. Our commissoner is a sticler for the open hand hit, now we get to use the fist. Nice.
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I have no problem with the table-side switch in the big scheme of things and beleive that the incidence of T's will increase for those thin skinned officials. I do wonder if coming table side may have the effect of "baiting" a coach to question a call more than he would have had I not been there in front of him. Maybe even to the extent that it would be distracting or disruptive to the flow of the game. Venting to the off-call official had its merits and may have saved many a coaches from T's.
Is requesting an explanation a priviledge for a coach or a required response by an official? I think a well-managed game will afford a fair amount of explaining, on a situational basis, but may be tempered by the mutual level of respect that exists between the coach and official. In any event, I think this change will work out just fine.....at least for me.
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The same conversations about going table-side came up in higher-level ball over the last few years..."More T's will be called because...", "thin-skinned officials will...", "the coaches will be able to..." After several years of this (speaking only from my own experiences reffing, observing, evaluating, etc) I have seen fewer T's called because the coach isn't screaming across the court at someone and because the calling official is now right there where they can have an actual conversation about the call...coaches who were jerks before will still be jerks, and refs who couldn't handle being griped at before will still have problems with that...but in the larger picture, it will make things go a whole lot smoother...
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What do we know as far as percentages of areas of the country using 3 man in H.S.? From tidbits of info I gather from here and there it seems like they are still fairly small. So most will not be affected, right? State of WA looks like they may be going to three man at State Tournament time, which some are speculating there will then be pressure to implement this at the playoff levels as well. Other changes are afoot in this area for suggestions on how to get approval for 3 man during reg. season, much of it involving reduced pay for the first 2-3 years to the officials. Another instance of the officials getting dumped on, IMO. At least there is movement to get us there (3-man mech.)
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So what's the reasoning in moving table side in a 3-person game vs. NOT going table side in a 2-person game?
I guess maybe you figure with only two sets of eyes, we can't have one set being dedicated to a coach?
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When they made the switch here in Iowa to 3-whistle, they had the refs do two games instead of one (usually boys/girls double header, but sometimes V/JV). I believe this cut down on mileage expenses as well as per-person game fees to make up for the extra official.
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The WIAA is more receptive because they have put in motion the changes to use 3 man at State. And supposedly, to qualify to work State, officials assigned must have been through a 3 man, certified camp that the WIAA/WOA will be sponsoring throughout the off-season. Also, they are looking at reducing the # of officials at each venue from the current 16 back to the 12 they had in years past. Could I ask you to email me the specifics if you are able to out what they are? Thanks, David
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Unless you're willing to say, that the calling official always becomes the table-side Trail. (You could do this with FTs, with only minor adjustments.) But then we're going to have to adjust all kinds of other mechanics. Just doesn't seem workable or practical a lot of the time for a 2-whistle game.
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My guess is that it's more the fact that the switch in 2-man is the "north-south" switch combined with the basic positioning on a 2-man throwin. If the ball is being inbounded on the baseline tableside, then it's kinda hard for the trail to also be tableside.
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The only two changes that would really be helpful weren't adopted: team control fouls, and POI for Ts.
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