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ChuckElias Tue Mar 30, 2004 09:18am

Mussina starts, the Yankees have the home field advantage thanks to Matsui, and they still give up 15 hits and 8 runs to -- the Devil Rays!! (Hmmmm, I seem to remember the Sox losing to the Rays on Opening Day last year. . .)

Course it doesn't help when your biggest big-ticket acquisition takes backward K's in his first 2 at bats, and also knocks your long-reliever (Quantrill) out of the game by running into him on a defensive play.

Giambi didn't look bad, tho. I wasn't awake to see his 1st inning homer, but I saw his liner off the wall for a double. Of course, he let a lazy pick-off move go right through his legs on defense. . .

Ahhhhhh, yes. First real baseball I've watched since the ALCS. Can we really call it "real" baseball, when it's played in Japan, at a time when nobody in either team's home market was awake to see the first pitch, in a dome that had all the atmosphere of a museum?

Doesn't matter, I guess. It was fun to watch, regardless. :)

Dan_ref Tue Mar 30, 2004 09:35am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias


... go right through his legs on defense. . .


Hmmmm....why does this somehow strike a bell...?...damn, now this is gonna bother me all day long!

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JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2004 09:46am

I am not offended.
 
But I would really not want to read about a sport that has nothing to do with the board you posted on.

I will only speak for myself. But I am sure I am not the only one.

Peace

ChuckElias Tue Mar 30, 2004 09:52am

Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
But I would really not want to read about a sport that has nothing to do with the board you posted on.
And yet you did. . . :confused: Even after a major disclaimer.

ChuckElias Tue Mar 30, 2004 09:52am

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Hmmmm....why does this somehow strike a bell...?...damn, now this is gonna bother me all day long!
It's good to have it back, isn't it? :)

JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:38am

Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
But I would really not want to read about a sport that has nothing to do with the board you posted on.
And yet you did. . . :confused: Even after a major disclaimer.

No Chuck.

You make it seem like people are offended when that is not the case. I have bigger issues to be "offended" by. But I cannot understand if this is so serious to you, why not go to the Baseball Board and make this post? Or do so on the "Off-Topic" Board as well? The only one that seems offended is you. Because a post was removed before of this nature and you had to make your "beef" public. I guess I do not understand what you expect?

Peace

Dan_ref Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:54am


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Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:58am

Oh,my. We're in last place. Fire the manager!

ChuckElias Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:59am

Re: Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
You make it seem like people are offended when that is not the case. I have bigger issues to be "offended" by.
Fine, Rut. You're not offended. I don't think I ever said or meant to say that you were offended. You simply said you'd rather not read about baseball on a basketball board; and I merely pointed out that you did.

I'm not taking this seriously at all. That was kind of the point of the over-the-top disclaimer in the thread title. I'm just trying to have a little fun. You, of course, are free to read it or not as you see fit.

You may now have the last word on the topic, b/c I'll refrain from replying to you again in this thread. It's supposed to be for fun comments about the Yankees.

Where's JR, anyway? dblref? I expected to hear from those guys. Dan's the only one who bothered to take the bait. :D

ChuckElias Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:00am

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh,my. We're in last place. Fire the manager!
Ah, there's JR!! Yeah, Torre seems to have a real problem with those Florida teams, eh? :)

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:06am

Re: Re: Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
You make it seem like people are offended when that is not the case. I have bigger issues to be "offended" by.

Fine, Rut. You're not offended. I don't think I ever said or meant to say that you were offended. You simply said you'd rather not read about baseball on a basketball board; and I merely pointed out that you did.

Where's JR, anyway?

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JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:12am

Chuck,

You are so predictable.

I am just having a little fun with you. But I do understand why folks would not want to read it and understand why the other posts were thrown out. But because it does not fit your narrow way of thinking, you have to draw even more attention to a trivial matter.

Talk about baseball for 4 pages. The Red Sox just like the Cubs are just not going to win anything as usual this year. ;)

Peace

mick Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:16am

Re: Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
But I would really not want to read about a sport that has nothing to do with the board you posted on.
And yet you did. . . :confused: Even after a major disclaimer.

No Chuck.

You make it seem like people are offended when that is not the case. I have bigger issues to be "offended" by. But I cannot understand if this is so serious to you, why not go to the Baseball Board and make this post? Or do so on the "Off-Topic" Board as well? The only one that seems offended is you. Because a post was removed before of this nature and you had to make your "beef" public. I guess I do not understand what you expect?

Peace

Rut,
Chuck is merely filled with angst, so he took exception to your opinion
Before long, he knows he'll be a 1/2-game down, ...but 12 ahead of my Tigers after 6 games.
mick

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:17am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Yeah, Torre seems to have a real problem with those Florida teams, eh?

[/B][/QUOTE]I blame it all on the lack of an all-star second baseman. Something must be done, I tell ya! Or heads will roll!

JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:25am

Re: Re: Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mick


Rut,
Chuck is merely filled with angst, so he took exception to your opinion
Before long, he knows he'll be a 1/2-game down, ...but 12 ahead of my Tigers after 6 games.
mick

And the Tigers will still have more World Series trophies than the Red Sox. But what else is new. :D

Peace

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:29am

Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:

Originally posted by mick

Before long, he knows he'll be a 1/2-game down, ...but 12 ahead of my Tigers after 6 games.


And the Tigers will still have more World Series trophies than the Red Sox. But what else is new.


Oooooooooo...... LOL!

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:41am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Mussina starts, the Yankees have the home field advantage thanks to Matsui, and they still give up 15 hits and 8 runs to -- the Devil Rays!! (Hmmmm, I seem to remember the Sox losing to the Rays on Opening Day last year. . .)

Course it doesn't help when your biggest big-ticket acquisition takes backward K's in his first 2 at bats, and also knocks your long-reliever (Quantrill) out of the game by running into him on a defensive play.

Giambi didn't look bad, tho. I wasn't awake to see his 1st inning homer, but I saw his liner off the wall for a double. Of course, he let a lazy pick-off move go right through his legs on defense. . .

Ahhhhhh, yes. First real baseball I've watched since the ALCS. Can we really call it "real" baseball, when it's played in Japan, at a time when nobody in either team's home market was awake to see the first pitch, in a dome that had all the atmosphere of a museum?

Doesn't matter, I guess. It was fun to watch, regardless. :)


Chuck:

I am not offended and while the major reason for the forum is to discuss in a scholarly and civilized manner basketball rules and mechanics, it is also a place for light-hearted banter and a chance for officials to communicate with each other about things that are happening in their lives.

In my heart the two greatest sports are basketball and golf, I love to watch baseball (even more so now, that our two sons have turned out to become accomplished first basemen; best described as good fielders, but they need to improve in the batter's box). I took up umpiring eleven years ago and I wished I had taken it up long before that because after basketball I really enjoy umpiring.

There are some people in this forum that are just old poops and really do not know how to enjoy life. The weather is finally starting to get better here in NW Ohio and I cannot wait to start playing golf. Today at 4:30pm, I have my first game of the Spring, a girls' H.S. jr. varsity fast pitch softball game and tomorrow I have a boys' H.S. jr. varsity baseball game to umpire.

And yes, I agree that it is hard to call it baseball when two teams, neither of whom are the Cincinatti Reds are playing in the first game of the season, and the game is being played in Japan. Whatever happened to tradition.

I was planning on being in Orlando for the IAABO Spring Meetings but I will now be in Hartford that weekend to officiate in the CT Starters' Girls' Spring Classic. The DoO usually has some officials from MA come down to officiate. If you are interested in officiating email me.

MTD, Sr.

ChuckElias Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:12pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
And the Tigers will still have more World Series trophies than the Red Sox. But what else is new. :D
I don't know about trophies, but I know that the Sox have more World Series championships than the Tigers.

The Tigers won World Series titles four times, in 1935, 1945, 1968, and 1984.

The Sox won World Series titles five time, in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, and 1918.

And Rut hasn't bothered to check on his facts. But what else is new? :D

dblref Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh,my. We're in last place. Fire the manager!
Ah, there's JR!! Yeah, Torre seems to have a real problem with those Florida teams, eh? :)

This game doesn't count in the standings because it was not played in the US. Besides, the Yankees considered this game to be a "mulligan". So put that in your pipe and smoke it. :D:D

(I edited because I couldn't spell "mulligan". Worthless keyboard.)

Junker Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:21pm

I'm glad it's baseball season also. On a side note, I teach 5th grade and I don't do much for other holidays (Valentine's Day and such) so I'm doing a whole day celebration for opening day of baseball season. We're making solar ovens in science to grill up our dogs, we're practicing a reader's theater of Casey at the Bat, doing some stuff with statistics and keeping a scorebook in math and I have a person from the Bob Feller museum coming in and bringing some artifacts. If we have time we're having a screening of "The Sandlot". I'm really looking forward to it. We're actually doing it on April 8th (opening day of the minors around here) just because it fits into my schedule better. The best part is it gave me an excuse to order a new, personalized Cubs jersey! All right, my sharing time is over, thanks for listening.

dblref Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:23pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
And the Tigers will still have more World Series trophies than the Red Sox. But what else is new. :D
I don't know about trophies, but I know that the Sox have more World Series championships than the Tigers.

The Tigers won World Series titles four times, in 1935, 1945, 1968, and 1984.

The Sox won World Series titles five time, in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, and 1918.

And Rut hasn't bothered to check on his facts. But what else is new? :D

Did the titles awarded back then (1918) really count?


MTD, Sr. - Since your sons are developing into first-class firstbasemen (is that a word?), perhaps they could play for the Bosux. They are always looking for a good one. Actually, they could be mediocre and still play for them.:D

mick Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:26pm

Quote:

Originally posted by dblref

This game doesn't count in the standings because it was not played in the US.

Au contraire!

Dan_ref Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:43pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I am not offended.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
And the Tigers will still have more World Series trophies than the Red Sox. But what else is new. :D
I don't know about trophies, but I know that the Sox have more World Series championships than the Tigers.

The Tigers won World Series titles four times, in 1935, 1945, 1968, and 1984.

The Sox won World Series titles five time, in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, and 1918.

And Rut hasn't bothered to check on his facts. But what else is new? :D

1918...that is SO 5 minutes ago! :p

Barry C. Morris Tue Mar 30, 2004 01:10pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Junker
If we have time we're having a screening of "The Sandlot".
That's a great movie. I caught the end of it on TV just last night. Unfortunately, I missed my favorite scene where he tricks the lifeguard.

Junker Tue Mar 30, 2004 01:25pm

My favorite scene (I hope I don't get heat for this) is when they insult the kid from the other team with "You play ball like a girl!" Cracks me up every time.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 30, 2004 01:27pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
[/B]
And yes, I agree that it is hard to call it baseball when two teams, neither of whom are the Cincinatti Reds are playing in the first game of the season, and the game is being played in Japan. Whatever happened to tradition.

[/B][/QUOTE]Amen! Cincinatti traditionaly had the home opener. It was almost a rite of passage. Kids bagged school to go to the game. It signalled that winter was over, and here comes summer. Great tradition!

Then ESPN gets the opener. Now it's "Hey, we've got a great idea". Let's play the opener at 8:30 on a Sunday night. Kids are in bed? Ah, who the hell cares. We don't need new fans. A few years later, they get another bright idea. This one I can picture in my mind. Two ESPN pointy-heads sitting in a boardroom talking. One says to the other- "Say, Mort, we haven't pissed off all of the real baseball fans in a looooong time. Doesn't seem right to me. Any idea what we could do to take care of that?" Mort replies- "Tell you what, Moe.We got 'em good by making 'em stay up 'til after midnight on a Sunday night if they wanted to watch the opener. Why don't we take it one step further? We'll send 2 teams to Japan to open the season, and to make it even better, if the fans wanna see the game, they'll have to damn well get up in the middle of the night to do so". Moe sez- "Great idea, Mort. We'll do it. But we ain't sending no damn small-market team like Cincinatti. T'hell with tradition!"

Agree with you completely on this one, Mark.

BktBallRef Tue Mar 30, 2004 01:36pm

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Barry C. Morris Tue Mar 30, 2004 01:39pm

JR and MTD,

I'm with you on the opening day shenanigans. Growing up a fan of the Big Red Machine, I consider it heresy that Cincy hasn't gotten the opener these last few years.

JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2004 03:19pm

The life of a Red Sox fan.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I don't know about trophies, but I know that the Sox have more World Series championships than the Tigers.

The Tigers won World Series titles four times, in 1935, 1945, 1968, and 1984.

The Sox won World Series titles five time, in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, and 1918.

And Rut hasn't bothered to check on his facts. But what else is new? :D

I was responding to what Mick said. But with that being true, at least the Tigers that have been terrible for about 10 years, have more titles in the past 40 years than the BoSox do in that same time. I was actually alive to see it. Just like a BoSox fan to bring up an error that no one even remembers or cares about. And at the very least, I can watch tape on the Series that the Tigers actually played in and won at the same time, and that is more than the BoSox can say.

I am also a Cardinals fan. Was raised closer to St. Louis and grew up with Cardinal radio and watching Cardinal games more than watching the Cubs in West Central Illinois. And they have the second most World Series Championship to the Yankees. And have been to the World Series more than the BoSox. All you guys had was 1986 and former Cub <b>(sweet justice)</b> Bill Buckner to lose against the Mets. In my lifetime the Cardinals went to the 1981 World Series, 1985 World Series and 1987 World Series. And in that time we won one of those that I got to actually witness in my lifetime. So if I die tommorrow, I will have seen more Championships from my teams than you have seen World Series games from the BoSox. And after this year, you will be waiting even longer. Did someone say Aaron Boone? :D

Peace

mick Tue Mar 30, 2004 03:38pm

Re: The life of a Red Sox fan.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
So if I die tommorrow, I will have seen more Championships from my teams than you have seen World Series games from the BoSox.
Cardinals, Cubs, Tigers, Twins, White Sox :eek: ..., sure Rut!!!!
...You pick enough teams, there's a chance o' that happenin'. ;)
mick

JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2004 04:18pm

Re: Re: The life of a Red Sox fan.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
So if I die tommorrow, I will have seen more Championships from my teams than you have seen World Series games from the BoSox.
Cardinals, Cubs, Tigers, Twins, White Sox :eek: ..., sure Rut!!!!
...You pick enough teams, there's a chance o' that happenin'. ;)
mick

I am a Tigers fan because I was born in Michigan and love all Michigan teams in the sports I follow. The reason I love the University of Michigan (family members went there and I was born in Ann Arbor while my Mom was working on her Ph.D), Redwings and Pistons and sadly a Lions fan (comeback Barry).

I am a Cardinals fan, because when I was a kid Ozzie Smith was my hero and I heard many of his games and where I grew up in Illinois is more Cardinal Country than any other team. Also one of the reasons many are Rams fans and they train in the town I grew up in.

I hate the Cubs with a passion. I constantly wear Cardinal hats and gear around the many Cub fans I run into where I live just to tick them off. :D My hatred also goes along with the Bears, Bulls and Blackhawks and cannot stand University of Illinois in anything. The only teams and players I cheer for are the ones that come from Illinois, but it never hurts me to see them lose.

The White Sox I am not a fan of, but used to work on the South Side of Chicago. I do cheer for them when they play the Cubs. And you have to pick sides when you live in Chicago. Half our Basketball Meetings are constant shots at fellow officials about the Cubs and the Sox fans. But I cheer for any team that plays the Cubs.

The Twins took away my Cardinals chances from winning the World Series, I cannot stand the Twins!!! :D

Peace

mick Tue Mar 30, 2004 04:25pm

Re: Re: Re: The life of a Red Sox fan.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
[B
I am a Cardinals fan, because when I was a kid Ozzie Smith was my hero and I heard many of his games and where I grew up in Illinois is more Cardinal Country than any other team. Also one of the reasons many are Rams fans and they train in the town I grew up in.
[/B]
Rut,
Must be the water.
A lot of my Illinois family loves those Cardinals, too.
mick

JRutledge Tue Mar 30, 2004 04:37pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: The life of a Red Sox fan.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mick


Rut,
Must be the water.
A lot of my Illinois family loves those Cardinals, too.
mick


It usually depends on what media market you live. The town I grew up in was near Quincy, IL where both the a NBC and CBS Affiliates are located. They spend as much if not more time on Cardinal games than they do with the Cubs. And where I lived is closer to St. Louis than Chicago. So depending on where you family lives, that is rather common. The further north you go, then you find fewer and fewer Cardinal fans. And when you come to Chicago, the Cubs and White Sox fans hate each other. You should here the radio programs and how the Cub Fans get mad at ESPN 1000 (White Sox Radio) for talking too much about the Sox. When the Cubs were on their run last year, there was all these Sox fans ripping the Cubs in the radio and even in the paper. I do not know if it is the same in New York with their current teams, but it sounds similar to what it used to be in NY when the Giants and Dodgers were there. It is about your "hood" and where you came from. It is very much like that in Chicago right now.

Peace

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 31, 2004 08:57am

12-1 Yankees. All is well with the world, and Joe Torre lives to coach another day. Gets to fly back too, instead of having to walk.

Great interview by a Japanese announcer with Torre. He asked Torre if he liked playing games over there. Torre said that it was great except for one problem. An hour after finishing the game, they felt like playing another one.

ChuckElias Wed Mar 31, 2004 07:15pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
12-1 Yankees. All is well with the world, and Joe Torre lives to coach another day. Gets to fly back too, instead of having to walk.
Unlike Eric Davis of the Reds, after the '90 World Series, IIRC. :(

oc Wed Mar 31, 2004 09:41pm

I'm not a big baseball fan but as I'm probably the only member of this board living in Japan I'd like to add a couple comments:

-Having the first games played in Japan might not have been the best for fans in the states but it was for cultivating more fans in Japan. It's a business and was a great business decision. Just like having the first NBA games of the season played here.


-The Yankees loss in the first game was good to see. What might not have been reported in the States is that the Yankees lost the day before that (8-3?) to the Hanshin Tigers. As an American in Japan that was embarassing-but kind of worth it.

-To add fuel to the Red Sox-Yankees fued-the Hanshin Tigers would be the Japanese equivalent to the Red Sox. Very popular team in the second biggest market in Japan. But almost always loses to the Tokyo Giants (the Yankees of Japan)

[Edited by oc on Mar 31st, 2004 at 09:46 PM]

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 31, 2004 09:52pm

Quote:

Originally posted by oc
-To add fuel to the Red Sox-Yankees fued-the Hanshin Tigers would be the Japanese equivalent to the Red Sox. Very popular team in second biggest market in Japan. But almost always loses to the Tokyo Giants (the Yankees of Japan)


Nah, the Hanshin Tigers wouldn't be the Japanese BoSox if they <b>almost</b> always lost to the Giants. If they <b>ALWAYS</b> lost to the Giants, they would be the Japanese BoSox.

mick Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:03pm

Oh, well. Red Sox didn't want Nomar anyway.

Mark Dexter Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:12pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee



Nah, the Hanshin Tigers wouldn't be the Japanese BoSox if they <b>almost</b> always lost to the Giants. If they <b>ALWAYS</b> lost to the Giants, they would be the Japanese BoSox. [/B][/QUOTE]

10-9, buddy.

Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:12pm

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Oh, well. Red Sox didn't want Nomar anyway.


Better to stay on the DL 'til it's healed, instead of taking a chance of ripping it. 'Tis a long season.

mick Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:10pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Oh, well. Red Sox didn't want Nomar anyway.


Better to stay on the DL 'til it's healed, instead of taking a chance of ripping it. 'Tis a long season.

Long enough for the Yankees to get an insurmountable lead.

Jurassic Referee Thu Apr 01, 2004 05:20am

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter
[/B]
10-9, buddy.

[/B][/QUOTE]1918, buddy. :D

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Apr 01, 2004 04:13pm

Re: Re: Re: The life of a Red Sox fan.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge
So if I die tommorrow, I will have seen more Championships from my teams than you have seen World Series games from the BoSox.
Cardinals, Cubs, Tigers, Twins, White Sox :eek: ..., sure Rut!!!!
...You pick enough teams, there's a chance o' that happenin'. ;)
mick

I am a Tigers fan because I was born in Michigan and love all Michigan teams in the sports I follow. The reason I love the University of Michigan (family members went there and I was born in Ann Arbor while my Mom was working on her Ph.D), Redwings and Pistons and sadly a Lions fan (comeback Barry).

I am a Cardinals fan, because when I was a kid Ozzie Smith was my hero and I heard many of his games and where I grew up in Illinois is more Cardinal Country than any other team. Also one of the reasons many are Rams fans and they train in the town I grew up in.

I hate the Cubs with a passion. I constantly wear Cardinal hats and gear around the many Cub fans I run into where I live just to tick them off. :D My hatred also goes along with the Bears, Bulls and Blackhawks and cannot stand University of Illinois in anything. The only teams and players I cheer for are the ones that come from Illinois, but it never hurts me to see them lose.

The White Sox I am not a fan of, but used to work on the South Side of Chicago. I do cheer for them when they play the Cubs. And you have to pick sides when you live in Chicago. Half our Basketball Meetings are constant shots at fellow officials about the Cubs and the Sox fans. But I cheer for any team that plays the Cubs.

The Twins took away my Cardinals chances from winning the World Series, I cannot stand the Twins!!! :D

Peace


Sorry to hear you are a Wolverine fan.


GO BUCKEYES!!!!

mick Thu Apr 01, 2004 04:41pm

N.I.T. pickin'
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Sorry to hear you are a Wolverine fan.
GO BUCKEYES!!!!

Mark,
I hear, maybe from JR (he provides me necessary Michigan news), that a wolverine was actually seen in Michigan a month or so ago.

So, quite possibly, they may not be as extinct as most folks thought.

All I remember about a buckeye is that it's some kinda nut, which looks like N.I.T., but sounds like Rut(<I><Font size = 1/3>gers</Font></I>).

mick


Jurassic Referee Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:46pm

Oh, Chuck? Heeheeheehee.........

Just a few observations:
- Johny Damon's hair put on quite a few pounds over the winter, didn't it? Is he auditioning for the role of "Grizzly Adams"?
- Looks like Gabe Kapler lost the same "4 pounds" that Jason Giambi did.
- Sidney Ponson <b>should</b> be on steroids. Or somebody's gonna stick a harpoon in him.

Dan_ref Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:51pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Oh, Chuck? Heeheeheehee.........

Just a few observations:
- Johny Damon's hair put on quite a few pounds over the winter, didn't it? Is he auditioning for the role of "Grizzly Adams"?
- Looks like Gabe Kapler lost the same "4 pounds" that Jason Giambi did.
- Sidney Ponson <b>should</b> be on steroids. Or somebody's gonna stick a harpoon in him.

Gabe Kaplan? Aint he kinda old to be playing MLB?

http://www.tradingcards.co.nz/images/kotter.jpg


Nevadaref Mon Apr 05, 2004 01:18am

Does anybody else think that it is just plain wrong that the NCAA Final and MLB Opening Day occur on the same date?

mick Mon Apr 05, 2004 02:16pm

Tigers at Toronto
 
Opening Day.
7-0
3 HR
bottom of 7th
How 'bout those Tigers! :)

YU.P., Pudge hit one also.
mick



Jurassic Referee Mon Apr 05, 2004 02:29pm

Know what, Mick? The Tigers could really surprise this year. Fairly weak division, extra year in for the young un's, much better atmosphere and finally some hope. I think that they're heading in the right direction now anyway. You just hate to see one of the grand old franchises stumbling along in the doldrums like they were lately. Just doesn't seem right.

dblref Mon Apr 05, 2004 07:55pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Know what, Mick? The Tigers could really surprise this year. Fairly weak division, extra year in for the young un's, much better atmosphere and finally some hope. I think that they're heading in the right direction now anyway. You just hate to see one of the grand old franchises stumbling along in the doldrums like they were lately. Just doesn't seem right.
What's wrong with it? The BoSux do it every year. :D

ChuckElias Mon Apr 05, 2004 09:23pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
- Johny Damon's hair put on quite a few pounds over the winter, didn't it? Is he auditioning for the role of "Grizzly Adams"?
Yeah, it looks pretty silly. It makes him look even more like Unfrozen Caveman Center Fielder. He came to our local mall to sign autographs a few weeks ago. My wife and daughter went down and got him to autograph a few things. The hair's about the same as it was then.

P.S. - You always like to take potshots at my man, Manny. I don't hear you talking about him doggin' it last night!! Two pretty darn good defensive plays last night. I was impressed that he worked on defense. His bat will wake up, too.

Mark Dexter Tue Apr 06, 2004 09:19am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

Yeah, it looks pretty silly. It makes him look even more like Unfrozen Caveman Center Fielder.

Yup.

My roommate and I were pretty shocked when we turned the game on Sunday night.

I did enjoy when the commentators put up 'before' and 'after' pictures and said that they weren't sure it was actually Johny Damon.

BBall_Junkie Tue Apr 06, 2004 09:35am

From the Boston Globe....


Hair's Johnny: Damon shocks
His appearance sets him apart
By Bob Hohler, Globe Staff, 2/26/2004

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- "Bless you," Johnny Damon said yesterday as he entered the Red Sox clubhouse. "Bless you all."

Heads turned as Damon, fully bearded, with his brown hair flowing to his shoulders, submitted one of the best impersonations of Jesus of Nazareth this side of "The Passion of the Christ." But no one knelt before him.

This was just Damon after all, as colorful and unconventional as ever. Good thing he doesn't work for George Steinbrenner, who would promptly dispatch him to the barber.

"[General manager] Theo [Epstein] told me I can keep it," Damon said of his look, one of the wildest in the game. "I don't think we want to compare ourselves to the Yankees. We'll do everything the opposite of what they do."

__________________________________________________ ____

Based on the last sentence, I guess this means that they don't want to win championships, since the Yanks win them and the BoSox don't. Kinda taking it to extremes to not be like the Yanks. :)

Nevadaref Wed Apr 07, 2004 05:12am

And what's with Pedro's fro? It looks like he stashed a poodle under his cap!

Jurassic Referee Wed Apr 07, 2004 09:08am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
P.S. - You always like to take potshots at my man, Manny.

[/B][/QUOTE]Hey, I just repeat what your Boston newspapers report. I kinda like this one where they talk about Manny's annual summer 4-day vacation to the Dominican. Of course, that's just an aside to the respect that they show for Pedro's professionalism.

http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wi...blog/04_06_04/

ChuckElias Wed Apr 07, 2004 09:36am

Hey, Pedro was wrong. Nobody (except maybe Francona :rolleyes: ) is gonna deny that. And he didn't even pitch all that badly, except for the 2nd inning.

As for Manny, I think the writers like to find anything they can and blow it up. Anybody who can say something bad about him after he obviously worked hard in game 1 isn't objective. And the crack about his vacation cruise is obviously sarcastic.

For some reason, Boston writers love to turn on Boston's sports stars and hammer them. Pedro gets frustrated and does something stupid, and on sports radio the next day, they're calling him the Dominican Diva. Wait, wasn't that Manny last year?

Rick Pitino did a lot of really bad things while he was with the Celtics, but he was right about one thing. The negativity in the Boston sports scene sucks.

Manny and Pedro have both been tremendous assests to the Red Sox, and both have let their professionalism slip at some point. Manny has gotten a lot better, I think, regardless of what the sports "reporters" think. We'll have to see about Pedro. He may already have decided that he's done in Boston, b/c they only picked up his option instead of giving him a new long-term deal.

Jurassic Referee Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:04am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

For some reason, Boston writers love to turn on Boston's sports stars and hammer them.


Certainly agree with that. NY tabloid writers are bad too, but certainly not as bad as Boston. They eat their own.

As for Pedro, I hate to say it (and I said it last year), but he's beginning to remind me more and more of Ron Guidry. Absolutely untouchable for a while, but then the body gives out and the arm goes. I really can't see anybody, including Boston, offering him more than 2 years guaranteed, and certainly not at anything close to $18M per. Unless George does it just to piss Boston off.

Mark Dexter Wed Apr 07, 2004 02:49pm

Figured I'd throw up the ol' AL East standings:


EAST........W.L...PCT...GB
Tampa Bay..2.1....667..-
Baltimore..1.1....500..0.5
Boston.....1.1....500..0.5
New York...1.2....333..1.0
Toronto....0.2....000..1.5


(Sorry about the crazy formatting)

Of course, as a Red Sox fan, I'll be taking this post down come the All-Star break, but for now it's interesting to see that the Yankees are in 4th place in the AL East. Steinbrenner hasn't fired anyone yet? :eek!:





ChuckElias Wed Apr 07, 2004 07:21pm

One more note about Manny. . .
 
Hey, you see Manny run out an easy pop-fly in the second inning tonight? Deep fly, but no way was it going out. Center fielder goes back and . . . OOPS!! Lost it! Manny ended up on second. Of course, that's what should happen on that play; but Manny's taken heat for not running out routine plays. Not tonight, tho! Nice to see, for those who like to bash him!

Jurassic Referee Wed Apr 07, 2004 08:21pm

Manny can't be a happy camper though, even though you'd never know it. He has to know that the Sox have been trying to dump him and his humongous contract. Same with Nomar. I don't think that the Bosox front office did the smartest thing by even acknowledging what they were trying to do with these guys. If you were Nomar, would you play hurt for a team that was trying to trade you in your walk year?

ChuckElias Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:51am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Manny can't be a happy camper though, even though you'd never know it. He has to know that the Sox have been trying to dump him and his humongous contract. Same with Nomar. I don't think that the Bosox front office did the smartest thing by even acknowledging what they were trying to do with these guys.
JR, I said the same thing in the "Is it September Already" thread, before it was cruelly cut down in the prime of its life. (It's a joke, it's a joke already.) If you want to move a player of that visibility, you quietly ask around. You "put out feelers". You don't just put him on waivers, especially when you have to know that nobody's just going to pick up $20mil/yr, not even the Yankees! I still don't understand that move. Unless it was supposed be a very specific message: "We know we can't move you, but we want to shake you up a little". But I don't think that was the point, although I certainly can't say for sure.

Nomar's situation is a lot different. He wasn't being dumped. He was being moved to make room for (arguably) the best player in the game, who also happens to play his position. While that's not a happy thought, it's not like the Sox didn't want Nomar. They offered him a huge contract before last season, and he turned it down. Now he won't get anything near what the Sox offered him.

Quote:

If you were Nomar, would you play hurt for a team that was trying to trade you in your walk year?
Well, honestly, yes I would for the simple fact that it is his walk year. He has no contract for next season, not even an option. And as I said before, his market value is already way down (just b/c the whole market is down). So I'd be trying my best to put up whatever numbers I could before I became a free agent. Unless, of course, he's willing to settle for $6.5mil/yr instead of $12mil/yr. :)

ChuckElias Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:57am

By the way, mick, how 'bout them Tigers!!!!! :D

ChuckElias Fri Apr 09, 2004 05:11pm

Great line in Conan O'Brien's monologue last night: "It now costs more for a family of four to go to a Mets game than it does to go to a Yankees game. That's because you have to buy the tickets for the Mets game and pay your family to go with you!" :)

Gotta admit, not much charm to Shea when I was there last season.

ChuckElias Fri Apr 09, 2004 05:22pm

Terry Francona didn't so well in Philly, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, since he didn't have much talent on that team. But I hope Boston fans don't have this crap to look forward to all season: Francona put David McCarty -- a back-up first baseman -- in to pitch in the top of the 9th today. When the Red Sox were still within 3 runs!

Putting a fielder in to pitch is pretty much a sign that the game is over. Either you're way up or you're way down and you don't care if the guy gives up 5 runs; you just want to save your bullpen. I understand the Sox played 13 innings last night (and lost, sigh), but you can't concede the game when you're only down by 3! Great googly-moogly!

Jurassic Referee Fri Apr 09, 2004 05:48pm

I must admit that a "what the dexter" escaped my lips also. Should be veeeeeery interseting in the Boston papers tomorrow. :D

rockyroad Mon Apr 12, 2004 12:59pm

The Mariners finally win one!!! Hooray!!! At this rate, we will win 27 games this year! Should put us in contention for that elusive Wild Card slot, eh???

Jurassic Referee Mon Apr 12, 2004 01:25pm

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Originally posted by rockyroad
The Mariners finally win one!!! Hooray!!! At this rate, we will win 27 games this year! Should put us in contention for that elusive Wild Card slot, eh???


Well, at least you can spend your time constructively anyway, having the outcome of your games usually decided by the 4th. inning. Still sitting in your dark little room sticking pins in your Junior Griffey doll, Rock? I can hear you now- "Well, I got your knee. I got your shoulder. I got your elbow. Howzabout a groin injury for ya now, Junior? Take that!" Seems to be working too. Poor guy's gone from the Hall of Fame to the Hall of Pain. Can't stay on the field nohow.

rockyroad Mon Apr 12, 2004 08:20pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
The Mariners finally win one!!! Hooray!!! At this rate, we will win 27 games this year! Should put us in contention for that elusive Wild Card slot, eh???


Well, at least you can spend your time constructively anyway, having the outcome of your games usually decided by the 4th. inning. Still sitting in your dark little room sticking pins in your Junior Griffey doll, Rock? I can hear you now- "Well, I got your knee. I got your shoulder. I got your elbow. Howzabout a groin injury for ya now, Junior? Take that!" Seems to be working too. Poor guy's gone from the Hall of Fame to the Hall of Pain. Can't stay on the field nohow.

Darn right...Griffey's a big dexterhead! Next I start on that bigger dexterhead Randy Johnson!!!

canuckrefguy Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:38pm

How can you guys talk baseball when HOCKEY PLAYOFFS are on? ;)

GO HABS GO

mick Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:03pm

http://www.everyticket.com/images/ho..._red_wings.jpg

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 13, 2004 02:57am

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Originally posted by canuckrefguy
How can you guys talk baseball when HOCKEY PLAYOFFS are on? ;)

GO HABS GO

<i>"Les Habitants sont la!"</i> :D

Go Habs? I thought you were out around Vancouver? No "Go Canucks"? :confused:


ChuckElias Tue Apr 13, 2004 08:48am

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Originally posted by canuckrefguy
GO HABS GO
They'll be lucky to win another game in the series. B's will get a (rare) series win against them!

(I'm only making this post b/c the Sox were off last night! :) )

canuckrefguy Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:02am

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
How can you guys talk baseball when HOCKEY PLAYOFFS are on? ;)

GO HABS GO

<i>"Les Habitants sont la!"</i> :D

Go Habs? I thought you were out around Vancouver? No "Go Canucks"? :confused:


Yeah, but I was a Canadiens fan as a kid, just never gave it up...

Jurassic Referee Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:53am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
GO HABS GO
They'll be lucky to win another game in the series. B's will get a (rare) series win against them!

(I'm only making this post b/c the Sox were off last night! :) )

The big thing, I guess, is that the Broons actually won something in your lifetime, didn't they? Even if you were only a baby at the time? Unlike the BoSox who........

1918.

Jurassic Referee Thu Apr 15, 2004 07:41am

And today's burning question is <i>"Will the BoSox have the same attendant in the Yankees' bullpen Friday night at Fenway that they had last year? And will they dress him up as a pinata and put him up on a pole to make things easier?"</i>

ChuckElias Thu Apr 15, 2004 07:54am

This is just between us, ok? It can not go any further than this forum. Promise? Ok.

Just got a phone call this morning from my mother-in-law. She is an avid Sox fan, like myself. She says excitedly, "Did you see the game last night?" I'm thinking to myself, Sox got rained out, no way is she talking about the Celtics. . . so what game are we talking about?

"What game, mom?"

"The game last night! The Red Sox!"

"Mom, the Sox were rained out last night. NESN ran a game from last season."

Silence.

"Well, that's just great. They should've told me!"

I love my mother-in-law. :D

mick Thu Apr 15, 2004 08:30am

http://www.detnews.com/pix/folios/tigers/tigersden.gif 6-2

Jurassic Referee Thu Apr 15, 2004 09:20am

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Originally posted by mick
http://www.detnews.com/pix/folios/tigers/tigersden.gif 6-2


Yabut..... the Red Wings? What's up with that?

Dan_ref Thu Apr 15, 2004 09:26am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
This is just between us, ok? It can not go any further than this forum. Promise? Ok.

Just got a phone call this morning from my mother-in-law. She is an avid Sox fan, like myself. She says excitedly, "Did you see the game last night?" I'm thinking to myself, Sox got rained out, no way is she talking about the Celtics. . . so what game are we talking about?

"What game, mom?"

"The game last night! The Red Sox!"

"Mom, the Sox were rained out last night. NESN ran a game from last season."

Silence.

"Well, that's just great. They should've told me!"

I love my mother-in-law. :D

That's cute.

BTW, gimme her number so I can tell her the next time the '78 playoff game is on espn classic...I'm sure one of these days Bucky Dent will pop up to the second baseman.

mick Thu Apr 15, 2004 09:35am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
http://www.detnews.com/pix/folios/tigers/tigersden.gif 6-2


Yabut..... the Red Wings? What's up with that?

2-2
...A classic match-up between fast vs. smart
Hockey is about respect.
Predators weren't told. They think it's about goals.
Tonight should tell a lot at the Joe.

Mark Dexter Thu Apr 15, 2004 09:53am

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
This is just between us, ok? It can not go any further than this forum. Promise? Ok.

Just got a phone call this morning from my mother-in-law. She is an avid Sox fan, like myself. She says excitedly, "Did you see the game last night?" I'm thinking to myself, Sox got rained out, no way is she talking about the Celtics. . . so what game are we talking about?

"What game, mom?"

"The game last night! The Red Sox!"

"Mom, the Sox were rained out last night. NESN ran a game from last season."

Silence.

"Well, that's just great. They should've told me!"

I love my mother-in-law. :D


I have to admit - this has happened to me numerous times with ESPN Classic.

Usually I'll watch for a few minutes, then think "Hey! Team X is playing Z tonight - not Y!" Only at that point do I notice the logo . . .

ChuckElias Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:17am

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
gimme her number so I can tell her the next time the '78 playoff game is on espn classic...I'm sure one of these days Bucky Dent will pop up to the second baseman.
Yabut, then maybe Yaz will yank one out in the bottom of the 9th. . . with a runner on third. . . sigh.

Dan_ref Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:37am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
gimme her number so I can tell her the next time the '78 playoff game is on espn classic...I'm sure one of these days Bucky Dent will pop up to the second baseman.
Yabut, then maybe Yaz will yank one out in the bottom of the 9th. . . with a runner on third. . . sigh.

You mean instead of popping out to Nettles in foul territory?

...hold on, I gotta go get a little more salt for that old wound.

Jurassic Referee Fri Apr 16, 2004 07:46am

Hmmmmmmmm!

Pedro blows 5-2 lead. BoSox lose.

Now where have I heard that before?

ChuckElias Fri Apr 16, 2004 08:12am

I don't want to talk about it!

Mark Dexter Fri Apr 16, 2004 09:28am

Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Hmmmmmmmm!

Pedro blows 5-2 lead. BoSox lose.

Now where have I heard that before?


Grady Dextering Little!!

:mad:


No need to bring it up, we Sox fans re-live moments like these in our minds every minute of every day of baseball season.

Now can someone tell me why they had to schedule the Sox-Yankees series to start tonight?

Jurassic Referee Fri Apr 16, 2004 09:36am

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Hmmmmmmmm!

Pedro blows 5-2 lead. BoSox lose.

Now where have I heard that before?

No need to bring it up, we Sox fans re-live moments like these in our minds every minute of every day of baseball season.


Just thought it was kinda ironic that Pedro did the same thing with Baltimore last night. Almost like a pattern developing. :D

ChuckElias Mon Apr 19, 2004 01:03pm

I know it's only April and I know there's 15 more of these to go, but WOW! That was fun. 3 outta 4, and Giambi ends it with a backwards K. Yanks kind of gave it away today, but I'll take it!

ChuckElias Mon Apr 19, 2004 01:04pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
GO HABS GO
They'll be lucky to win another game in the series.

Guess I have to eat those words, huh? You gonna be watching tonight, canuck? (Like I need to ask)

Dan_ref Mon Apr 19, 2004 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I know it's only April and I know there's 15 more of these to go, but WOW! That was fun. 3 outta 4, and Giambi ends it with a backwards K. Yanks kind of gave it away today, but I'll take it!
Just 15?

It's kinda early to give up on the Sox winning the wildcard berth, dontchya think?


Mark Dexter Mon Apr 19, 2004 02:50pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I know it's only April and I know there's 15 more of these to go, but WOW! That was fun. 3 outta 4, and Giambi ends it with a backwards K. Yanks kind of gave it away today, but I'll take it!

Happy Patriot's Day, Chuck!!!

Mark Dexter Mon Apr 19, 2004 02:53pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I know it's only April and I know there's 15 more of these to go, but WOW! That was fun. 3 outta 4, and Giambi ends it with a backwards K. Yanks kind of gave it away today, but I'll take it!
Just 15?

It's kinda early to give up on the Sox winning the wildcard berth, dontchya think?



Actually, I think it's going to be 20 more. Sox will take the AL East, Yankees get the Wild Card, and then the fun starts all over again in the ALDS.

Dan_ref Mon Apr 19, 2004 03:14pm

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias
I know it's only April and I know there's 15 more of these to go, but WOW! That was fun. 3 outta 4, and Giambi ends it with a backwards K. Yanks kind of gave it away today, but I'll take it!
Just 15?

It's kinda early to give up on the Sox winning the wildcard berth, dontchya think?



Actually, I think it's going to be 20 more. Sox will take the AL East, Yankees get the Wild Card, and then the fun starts all over again in the ALDS.

I've bookmarked this page...get back to ya next October. :)

Mark Dexter Mon Apr 19, 2004 06:17pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Dexter



Actually, I think it's going to be 20 more. Sox will take the AL East, Yankees get the Wild Card, and then the fun starts all over again in the ALDS.

I've bookmarked this page...get back to ya next October. :)

To heck with October - try it on July 14th.

Dan_ref Mon Apr 19, 2004 07:41pm

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Mark Dexter



Actually, I think it's going to be 20 more. Sox will take the AL East, Yankees get the Wild Card, and then the fun starts all over again in the ALDS.

I've bookmarked this page...get back to ya next October. :)

To heck with October - try it on July 14th.

July 14th....they going on strike July 15th?

Mark Dexter Mon Apr 19, 2004 07:54pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

July 14th....they going on strike July 15th?


Nope.

July 13th is the All-Star Game.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Dan_ref Mon Apr 19, 2004 08:01pm

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref

July 14th....they going on strike July 15th?


Nope.

July 13th is the All-Star Game.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

I conclude the All Star game's a meaningless exhibition game.

Let's continue this discussion on Oct 4 :)

Jurassic Referee Mon Apr 19, 2004 08:16pm

Don't the Yankees and the Losers play again this coming weekend in the Bronx? I thought Pedro was scheduled to pitch- unless he could figure out some way to weasel out of it again. :D

Dan_ref Mon Apr 19, 2004 08:24pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Don't the Yankees and the Losers play again this coming weekend in the Bronx? I thought Pedro was scheduled to pitch- unless he could figure out some way to weasel out of it again. :D
Yep, this weekend.

Right now Francona's standing in front of a hotel room mirror practicing his lines:

"Pedro, I said give me the ball."


Mark Dexter Mon Apr 19, 2004 08:51pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

I conclude the All Star game's a meaningless exhibition game.

Let's continue this discussion on Oct 4 :)


Not since our all-knowing, all-powerful commissioner, after a pathetic 2002 TIE GAME All-Star Game decided to cave in to Fox and "make it count" by giving home field advantage to the league that won the All-Star game. :rolleyes:


Of course, all of us in Sox land know that the Red Sox lead the AL East through the all-star break, then drop down to somewhere around dead last.


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