No Precision Time? HS Mechanics?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Indy_Ref

If we are worried about .1 second at the end of the game...what about all .1 seconds that are lost during the rest of the 39+ minutes????

While I try not to worry , I am concerned with 0.1 second at any time in the game - that's why we use PT for the entire game, not just the last 60 seconds.

The phrase you hear as you move up is "correct each timing mistake no matter how small." Precision Time does this. Where your timing mistakes are going to get the most attention, though, is at the very end of a tie or 1-point ballgame.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by JugglingReferee

My friend, a fellow official, and I were watching the game together and I had him blurt out when the TO was requested. I had my eyes fixed on the clock. The clock was changing from 0.8 to 0.7 when he said, "now".

I actually only posted this message as a matter of interest. I didn't lay claim to what the clock should have been reset to.

It was already established that the TO was granted at 0.4s - and correctly so. I was just pointing out that it was requested at 0.8s.

As for the request near the 3-point line, it is mute because no official granted it before the endline request was granted.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Indy_Ref
If we are worried about .1 second at the end of the game...what about all .1 seconds that are lost during the rest of the 39+ minutes????

The team's have a chance to "recover" from any "bad call" during the game, but don't have a chance at the end of the game.

That's the difference.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

When it's requested is not the issue. It's when it was granted, when the official blows his whistle.

Didn't something similar happen toward the end of the ACC regular season? Foul called at the buzzer, the officials administer the FT's.

Later, the league office comes out and says the whistle was 1/30th of a second after the horn. Anyone know why they said this instead of saying when the foul was in relation to the end of play?

[BktBallRef]

Nope, not to my knowledge.

[Indy_Ref]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
Okay, what's going on here? I haven't see but a couple of games today, AF vs. UNC and Dayton/DePaul, but the officials are both games are NOT using Precision Time. In the Dayton/DePaul game, DePaul attempted to call TO at the end of the game, Whistle blew but clock didn't stop and they didn't pout the time back up, using the lag time rule.

Also, the officials in the Carolina game were raising there hands to stop the clock on violations and OOB situations. it was actually quite refreshing.

Have these two things been consistent in all of the games?

I've also seen many examples of the exact opposite, too! I guess one you've "made it" you can truly do anything you want or feel like doing in terms of mechanics!!!!

I'm not sure how many times I've seen good mechanics...and I'm not sure how many times I've seen fouls called WITHOUT fists...OOB calls WITHOUT stopping the clock, etc., etc. Maybe someday I'll make it...and the first time I blow my whistle to stop the clock...I'll RAISE MY LEG!!! Hey, what does it matter as long as I get the call right!!

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Indy_Ref
OOB calls WITHOUT stopping the clock, etc.

Just remember - while it may look nice, it's not required in men's NCAA mechanics.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Just remember - while it may look nice, it's not required in men's NCAA mechanics.

Many HS officials have stopped making these signals as well. I saw games in the state tournament this year where officials were using the NCAA point.

It's an antiquated mechanic. The clock stops EVERY TIME a whistle blows. It's an unncessary mechanic that will soon go the way of the bird dog.

[Nevadaref]

As long as the timer can hear your whistle, the point is fine. If you are in a HS gym that is very loud, it is a darn good idea to raise your hand so that the timer can SEE when you want the clock stopped. (I think people tend to point a bit after blowing the whistle.)
I had a game this year in which we had to decide whether or not the last shot, to tie game, counted and the crowd screamed so loudly that no one heard the horn. Fortunately, I had a clear view of the shooter the ball and the clock at 0.0 before the release. In the absence of hearing a horn that was the best we could do.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
As long as the timer can hear your whistle, the point is fine. If you are in a HS gym that is very loud, it is a darn good idea to raise your hand so that the timer can SEE when you want the clock stopped. (I think people tend to point a bit after blowing the whistle.)
I had a game this year in which we had to decide whether or not the last shot, to tie game, counted and the crowd screamed so loudly that no one heard the horn. Fortunately, I had a clear view of the shooter the ball and the clock at 0.0 before the release. In the absence of hearing a horn that was the best we could do.

So why can college officials (without precision time) manage without the raised hand?

I really don't think most of the timers look for the hand anyway.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

I really don't think most of the timers look for the hand anyway.

Only time I'll look for the hand is if I know the ball is going OOB and I can't hear the whistle.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Mark Dexter

Only time I'll look for the hand is if I know the ball is going OOB and I can't hear the whistle.

But is the upstretched hand any less visible to you than one pointing forward or backward.

This is a bit like back when the trail had to signal "2 points" on every made basket. How many timer/scorers really needed that?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

But is the upstretched hand any less visible to you than one pointing forward or backward.

This is a bit like back when the trail had to signal "2 points" on every made basket. How many timer/scorers really needed that?

In the corners, yes.

Anywhere else on the court, no.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

But is the upstretched hand any less visible to you than one pointing forward or backward.

Rich,
I already wrote why I think there is a difference:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
(I think people tend to point a bit after blowing the whistle.)

My experience is that they tend to put their hand straight up as they sound the whistle. That makes a small difference to a timer going off the visual signal of the official.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Nevadaref

Rich,
I already wrote why I think there is a difference:

My experience is that they tend to put their hand straight up as they sound the whistle. That makes a small difference to a timer going off the visual signal of the official.

Why then has it not been used in college games for years? Why is it when I go to college camps I hear clinicians correct people for using the mechanic?

Why do we need to be different in something so basic? Why should I worry about how to call a ball out of bounds Monday vs. Tuesday?