Re: Agree...to a certain point...
 

While I try not to worry :p, I am concerned with 0.1 second at any time in the game - that's why we use PT for the entire game, not just the last 60 seconds.

The phrase you hear as you move up is "correct each timing mistake no matter how small." Precision Time does this. Where your timing mistakes are going to get the most attention, though, is at the very end of a tie or 1-point ballgame.

I actually only posted this message as a matter of interest. I didn't lay claim to what the clock should have been reset to.

It was already established that the TO was granted at 0.4s - and correctly so. I was just pointing out that it was requested at 0.8s.

As for the request near the 3-point line, it is mute because no official granted it before the endline request was granted.

Re: Agree...to a certain point...
 

The team's have a chance to "recover" from any "bad call" during the game, but don't have a chance at the end of the game.

That's the difference.

Didn't something similar happen toward the end of the ACC regular season? Foul called at the buzzer, the officials administer the FT's.

Later, the league office comes out and says the whistle was 1/30th of a second after the horn. Anyone know why they said this instead of saying when the foul was in relation to the end of play?

Nope, not to my knowledge.

I've also seen many examples of the exact opposite, too! I guess one you've "made it" you can truly do anything you want or feel like doing in terms of mechanics!!!!

I'm not sure how many times I've seen good mechanics...and I'm not sure how many times I've seen fouls called WITHOUT fists...OOB calls WITHOUT stopping the clock, etc., etc. Maybe someday I'll make it...and the first time I blow my whistle to stop the clock...I'll RAISE MY LEG!!! Hey, what does it matter as long as I get the call right!!

Just remember - while it may look nice, it's not required in men's NCAA mechanics.

Many HS officials have stopped making these signals as well. I saw games in the state tournament this year where officials were using the NCAA point.

It's an antiquated mechanic. The clock stops EVERY TIME a whistle blows. It's an unncessary mechanic that will soon go the way of the bird dog.

seeing and hearing
 

As long as the timer can hear your whistle, the point is fine. If you are in a HS gym that is very loud, it is a darn good idea to raise your hand so that the timer can SEE when you want the clock stopped. (I think people tend to point a bit after blowing the whistle.)
I had a game this year in which we had to decide whether or not the last shot, to tie game, counted and the crowd screamed so loudly that no one heard the horn. Fortunately, I had a clear view of the shooter the ball and the clock at 0.0 before the release. In the absence of hearing a horn that was the best we could do.

Re: seeing and hearing
 

So why can college officials (without precision time) manage without the raised hand?

I really don't think most of the timers look for the hand anyway.

Re: Re: seeing and hearing
 

Only time I'll look for the hand is if I know the ball is going OOB and I can't hear the whistle.

Re: Re: Re: seeing and hearing
 

But is the upstretched hand any less visible to you than one pointing forward or backward.

This is a bit like back when the trail had to signal "2 points" on every made basket. How many timer/scorers really needed that?

Re: Re: Re: Re: seeing and hearing
 

In the corners, yes.

Anywhere else on the court, no.

Rich,
I already wrote why I think there is a difference:
My experience is that they tend to put their hand straight up as they sound the whistle. That makes a small difference to a timer going off the visual signal of the official.

Why then has it not been used in college games for years? Why is it when I go to college camps I hear clinicians correct people for using the mechanic?

Why do we need to be different in something so basic? Why should I worry about how to call a ball out of bounds Monday vs. Tuesday?