Hey Ref! That's YOUR primary!!!!

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by CLAY
3 whistle crew, Iam lead. nothing in my primary. So I peek into the centers primary and I see something he/she missed. Iam calling it, and it the center tells me to stay out of his/her area,my reply to them is to do a better job in your area. There is nothing more fustrating than to watch a 3 whislte crew miss calls because noboby wants to call in their partners are

And what actually happens is that you catch the tail-end of something that the C was watching the entire time and decided to pass on, but you come across real strong and call some ticky-tack thing in front of C and now your crew integrity is shot to hell - all because you couldn't stay in your primary...hope it was worth it.

[icallfouls]

rocky, are you really Millay or Morrell, my guess is the former

[ChuckElias]

Ok, I've stayed out of this b/c I basically agree with Dan's point. Get it right. But I also agree with Rocky, in that tape consistently shows that when we call out of our primary, the accuracy of our calls goes down dramatically.

That's why we got a 3rd set of eyes at the college level -- to make the areas of responsibility smaller, so we can concentrate more on the stuff that's close to us, rather than reaching across the lane. Reaching across the lane usually equals reduced accuracy.

So. . . help out on the stuff that you're supposed to help out on. The C can help the L on a ball that goes OOB on the C side of the lane. The C can reach for a call in front of the L when the offensive player spins into the lane (and away from the L). The T can help out on closely-guarded counts on the C side of court, if there's too many players over there. The L can help out with a 3-point shot in his/her corner if the post play is clear. The T can help catch the little shuffle-step travel that's right in front of the L.

There are things that we can and should help out on. But if you're the L, and you come all the way across the lane to call an off-ball foul in front of the C. . . well, that's not a good thing. Your crew will probably have a problem with it, and an observer will definitely have a problem with it.

My two cents. Take it or leave it.

[TPS2859]

What ever happened to what we call the gray area? You may have your primary but you also have the weak side also.

R.R. What happens when a player is driving in, who takes the player, the C whom direction the player was coming from or as in your case the L. All of the officials I work with it is the C responsibility to follow that player untill his/her attempt is complete.

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by TPS2859
What ever happened to what we call the gray area? You may have your primary but you also have the weak side also.

R.R. What happens when a player is driving in, who takes the player, the C whom direction the player was coming from or as in your case the L. All of the officials I work with it is the C responsibility to follow that player untill his/her attempt is complete.

C takes it all the way to the hole...and to icallfouls - Morrell would never be on this board with Yankees fans...so who are you???

[icallfouls]

lets just say i know batman


[Edited by icallfouls on Feb 20th, 2004 at 04:56 PM]

[mick]

Originally posted by rockyroad
Morrell would never be on this board with Yankees fans

No morrells on this board.
We have Dan for attestation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by rockyroad
Morrell would never be on this board with Yankees fans...so who are you???

I've got my guess...we spoke just two days ago...I think.

[BigGref]

If I am going to call something out of my primary I usually look at 2 things...

1. "If it is light-gray to gray, let it make Hay!"
2. "If it is really dark gray, Sell, Sell, Sell!"

[Forksref]

Congratulations on you guys getting the call right. That is what is most important.

I have no problem with being corrected by my partner when I am screened, etc.

Isn't our priority to get the call right?

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by icallfouls
lets just say i know batman


[Edited by icallfouls on Feb 20th, 2004 at 04:56 PM]

Ouch...that's one we can keep to ourselves, thanks! So fess up, now, give me some hints as to who you are...

[tw1ns]

Had a similar sitch last night in a girls game. I was trail and the opposition was pressing at half court. The offensive player dribbles through two girls who try to cut her off. My pard calls a reach on one of the girls as she is stepping through the two defenders. The coach yells - "He can't call that from there, he is twenty feet away." I tell him "That is why there is two of us coach." He still didn't agree.

[Back In The Saddle]

As one who has argued for getting it right, I applaud the way the situation was handled--exactly right IMO.

I had one a couple of weeks back. Soph girls, working with a very weak partner. I'm L, shot goes up from his primary, and goes oob without hitting iron. I didn't see anybody touch it from the time I caught it out of the corner of my eye. I look at my partner...nothing. I signal going "that way." Shooting team goes nuts about it being tipped. I go to my partner again and ask him if it was tipped. His answer, "I don't know." So, we're going "that way."

Was it tipped? Given the reaction, almost certainly. Give my partner the benefit of the doubt, assume he was rigorously refereeing his primary. Assume that he would never even look outside his primary, let alone make a call outside it. Assume that his mechanics were perfect and that it was just one of those things. We still looked like clueless idiots. And got it wrong.

[mick]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
As one who has argued for getting it right, I applaud the way the situation was handled--exactly right IMO.

I had one a couple of weeks back. Soph girls, working with a very weak partner. I'm L, shot goes up from his primary, and goes oob without hitting iron. I didn't see anybody touch it from the time I caught it out of the corner of my eye. I look at my partner...nothing. I signal going "that way." Shooting team goes nuts about it being tipped. I go to my partner again and ask him if it was tipped. His answer, "I don't know." So, we're going "that way."

Was it tipped? Given the reaction, almost certainly. Give my partner the benefit of the doubt, assume he was rigorously refereeing his primary. Assume that he would never even look outside his primary, let alone make a call outside it. Assume that his mechanics were perfect and that it was just one of those things. We still looked like clueless idiots. And got it wrong.

Back In The Saddle,
You didn't know.
You looked for help.
Your partner gave you nothing.
Looks like a jump.
mick

[One-Whistle]

Originally posted by mick

Back In The Saddle,
You didn't know.
You looked for help.
Your partner gave you nothing.
Looks like a jump.
mick

Been there, done that, didn't like it,
but that is the way is shakes out sometimes.