was going to the arrow correct

[Adam]

"Trust your partner." That's the thought that keeps going through my head this past few days. It's hit me hard as I've been going over Friday night's fight. My partner was right on top of the fight, and I came in from about the 3 pt. line to control the other 8 (only missed one). As I was coming in focusing on getting the numbers of any extra participants, I trusted that my partner had the numbers of the first two; and he trusted that I had a bigger picture of the situation.
Talking to my assignor, it really seems like we nailed it. If either of us had tried to do too much, we'd have kicked it bad.

[tomegun]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle


* An OOB call where you saw a tip, especially if it happened in your primary
* 2 v. 3 point shot when trail/center is straighlined and guessing
* A travel in front of the lead when he's busy looking for contact

1. I agree with you when there are players with space in between them. However if you have some contact right in front of you and you make an OOB call I will not give you any information. Why? Because I trust you saw the whole play and you made the correct call for that situation. The OOB rather than the foul.
2. Can you please break it all the way down for me and tell me where this would occur on the 3 pointer? At the top of the key? I can see that. In the deep corner? I can see that too. In the half court on a 3 pointer at the free-throw line extended? In what situation would we have 4 or 6 eyes on this play? In MTD's situation I can see it. It is amazing how someone can move to look past 4 players in their primary to see a phantom travel across the court. This guy already had more than his share of the players to watch and he bypassed them for the travel. Like MTD said, this could result in disaster. Bart also game some real statistics for improving our accuracy.
3. I agree with you on this one. It can happen every game due to post play.

[Bart Tyson]

* A travel in front of the lead when he's busy looking for contact
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3. I agree with you on this one. It can happen every game due to post play. [/B]

Sorry, you won't get me to agree on this one, with one exception and that is with rebounding/put back action. If I am the L and I have ball-player action in my primary, It is my responsibility to watch for a travel. Going by your philosophy, we could say the same thing about all three primarys. I've had partners call a travel in front of me when I was L, and it wasn't a travel. Bottom line a travel is NOT a "got to get" call.

[cmathews]

Bart, in theory I agree with your post, but in reality, I don't mind at all if my partner comes and gets a travel. I also think that a travel is one that sometimes needs to be retrieved. Fast break layup lead officiating the defense, is s/he there or not, are they about to make contact, misses the extra step by the ball handler, the trail comes and gets it, everyone in the gym except the lead had it...it needs to be gotten. Another reason I don't mind someone getting a travel in my area is that traveling is my weak area. I know what traveling is by rule, and I apply it pretty well, but I admittedly miss a few, and if someone else sees it, it doesn't bother me that they get it..

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Dan_Ref:

I think you are confused as to what officiating your primary means...rest of lecture deleted

sigh...thanks anyway

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

How? 32 years of experience.

MTD, Sr.

Must be the political season, classic non-answer. Anyway, by 32 years of experience does you mean you telepathically communicate with the ball & it tells you when it hits the rim?

Or do you mean you just guess?

[dblref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Could you elaborate more on this play? Was this a two or three person officiating crew? Which official, L or C/T, rule that the ball did not hit the rim? Which official, L or C/T, rule that the ball hit the rim?

MTD, Sr.

What difference would this make? One of them blew the whistle and the ball is dead. I say go to the arrow. I thought I was wrong 1 time, but I was mistaken.

[footlocker]

AP arrow. yes, that is the answer to this question.

Mechanically, this happened to me. I was trail. I hated the fact that my Lead was watching the rim. What else are we missing?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by footlocker
AP arrow. yes, that is the answer to this question.

Mechanically, this happened to me. I was trail. I hated the fact that my Lead was watching the rim. What else are we missing?

The AP Arrow is not the answer to this question. The T signaled a free throw violation by the shooter for not hitting the rim. The T is primary on this play and the only opinion that matters is the T's as to whether the ball hit the rim or not. The T has to make this call everytime and not let the L make the call for him. If the officials go to the AP Arrow or allow the L's call to stand, then every time the T makes a call concerning the rim on a free throw, one coach or the other is going to want the L to step and "help" his/her partner.

Officiate your primary and trust your partner.

MTD, Sr.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The AP Arrow is not the answer to this question. The T signaled a free throw violation by the shooter for not hitting the rim. The T is primary on this play and the only opinion that matters is the T's as to whether the ball hit the rim or not. The T has to make this call everytime and not let the L make the call for him. If the officials go to the AP Arrow or allow the L's call to stand, then every time the T makes a call concerning the rim on a free throw, one coach or the other is going to want the L to step and "help" his/her partner.

Officiate your primary and trust your partner.

MTD, Sr.

Still, if the L sees something clearly different from the T, whether he should see it or not, the L should give the T that information. It's our job to get the call right.

Of course, the L shouldn't be looking there.