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Bart Tyson Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:11pm

NCAA Women's, We have 5 players from each team on the floor getting ready to start the OT period. The clock is now set at 5min. for the OT period. Now the coach realizes we will start with a jump ball. Now we wants to put in his big girl to be the jumper. Can't find anything in the book about when they are legal players to start the OT period. What do you think?

mick Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:22pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
NCAA Women's, We have 5 players from each team on the floor getting ready to start the OT period. The clock is now set at 5min. for the OT period. Now the coach realizes we will start with a jump ball. Now we wants to put in his big girl to be the jumper. Can't find anything in the book about when they are legal players to start the OT period. What do you think?
Bart,
I think: <LI> OT is an extension of 2nd half not a separate entity. <LI> Player did not report before warning signal and shall not be permitted.
mick

TriggerMN Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:49pm

I agree with Mick, and would officiate the situation the same way.

Of course, Mick is smart, so it goes without saying that I would agree with him. :)

mick Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:22am

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Originally posted by TriggerMN
I agree with Mick, and would officiate the situation the same way.

Of course, Mick is smart, so it goes without saying that I would agree with him. :)

...A brownie point for the shooter man!
mick

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BktBallRef Wed Jan 28, 2004 01:18am

You two should get a ROOM! :o

Hawks Coach Wed Jan 28, 2004 08:57am

Quote:

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
NCAA Women's, We have 5 players from each team on the floor getting ready to start the OT period. The clock is now set at 5min. for the OT period. Now the coach realizes we will start with a jump ball. Now we wants to put in his big girl to be the jumper. Can't find anything in the book about when they are legal players to start the OT period. What do you think?
NCAA and the coach doesn't know how overtime starts? Somebody forgot his thinking cap, but no need for you to correct it.

I suppose he could burn a time out to get her in though?

mick Wed Jan 28, 2004 09:20am

AR 5-10-15 says: "Substitutions shall not occur after the warning signal to prepare to resume play until at least one live-ball period has occured and the ball becomes dead."

A Pennsylvania Coach Wed Jan 28, 2004 09:34am

Can the coach use his overtime timeout?

Hawks Coach Wed Jan 28, 2004 09:40am

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Originally posted by mick
AR 5-10-15 says: "Substitutions shall not occur after the warning signal to prepare to resume play until at least one live-ball period has occured and the ball becomes dead."
Thanks - that's pretty definitive.

Lotto Wed Jan 28, 2004 09:51am

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
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Originally posted by mick
AR 5-10-15 says: "Substitutions shall not occur after the warning signal to prepare to resume play until at least one live-ball period has occured and the ball becomes dead."
Thanks - that's pretty definitive.

5-10 refers to time-outs, not intermissions.

Here's the relevant rule: 3-4, Art. 2. Substitutions between halves shall be reported to the official scorer by the substitute(s) or a team representative before the signal that ends the intermission rather than after the warning signal.

The situation originally described had the players on the court ready to play, which sounds like it's after the second horn. Hence no sub. But a sub would be allowed between the warning horn and the second horn, unlike after a time-out.

mick Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:03am

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Originally posted by Lotto
Quote:

Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
AR 5-10-15 says: "Substitutions shall not occur after the warning signal to prepare to resume play until at least one live-ball period has occured and the ball becomes dead."
Thanks - that's pretty definitive.

5-10 refers to time-outs, not intermissions.

Here's the relevant rule: 3-4, Art. 2. Substitutions between halves shall be reported to the official scorer by the substitute(s) or a team representative before the signal that ends the intermission rather than after the warning signal.

The situation originally described had the players on the court ready to play, which sounds like it's after the second horn. Hence no sub. But a sub would be allowed between the warning horn and the second horn, unlike after a time-out.

Lotto,
It says "between halves", not between periods.
mick


mick Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:04am

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
Can the coach use his overtime timeout?
PACoach,
I do not believe the extra time-out is of any use until the OT clock has run.
mick

Lotto Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:08am

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Originally posted by mick

It says "between halves", not between periods.

You're right.

But 5-10 refers to charged time-outs, not the intermission between the second half and an overtime, so it clearly doesn't apply either.

The question is, which part of 3-4 (which deals with substitutions) applies to the intermission between the second half and an overtime period? I think that 3-4.2 (cited above) is the closest.

mick Wed Jan 28, 2004 11:26am

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Originally posted by Lotto
Quote:

Originally posted by mick

It says "between halves", not between periods.

You're right.

But 5-10 refers to charged time-outs, not the intermission between the second half and an overtime, so it <U>clearly doesn't</U> apply either.

The question is, which part of 3-4 (which deals with substitutions) applies to the intermission between the second half and an overtime period? I think that 3-4.2 (cited above) is the closest.

"...Clearly doesn't..., or doesn't clearly...?

Mark Dexter Wed Jan 28, 2004 06:01pm

No go.

The sub herself needs to report in before 45 seconds is up - coach can't go over to the table and check her in.


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