Blocking

[dhodges007]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Was he talking about high school? Or NBA? I mean, this is NOT how most hs interpreters describe the situation.

We were at a college try out. We spent 40 mins talking about principles of verticality and block/charge.

CMatthews: When talking about firming up the player isn't leaning outside the vertical plane, just shifting his weight to one foot to absorb the contact. I agree that if b sticks out a hip or elbow s/he should be charged a block. However, I actually tried to do this (yes, I looked funny in the mirror ) and couldn't lean my torso over with both feet staying on the floor unless I stuck out my hip, elbow, shoulder, or bent at the waist.

Other than that I would have to see it to give a better interpretation.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Lotto

I don't think so, based on A.R. 21 in Rule 10-21. It may be either a block or a charge. Please see below.

I mean that he can either lean away from A1 or sideways to A1's path and still maintain legal guarding position. Here's the relevant Approved Ruling from the NCAA rules:

A.R. 21. A player who is guarding moves into the path of a dribbler and contact occurs. RULING: Either player may be responsible, but the greater responsibility shall be that of the dribbler when the player who is guarding conforms to the following principles that officials shall use in reaching a decision. The defensive player shall be assumed to have attained a guarding position when the defensive player is in the dribbler’s path facing him or her. When the defensive player jumps into position, both feet must return to the floor after the jump before he or she can have attained a guarding position. No specific stance or distance shall be required. The guard may shift to maintain his or her position in the path of the dribbler, provided that the player who is guarding does not charge into the dribbler nor otherwise cause contact as outlined in this section. The responsibility of the dribbler for contact shall not shift merely because the player who is guarding turns or ducks to absorb shock when contact caused by the dribbler is imminent. The player who is guarding shall not cause contact by moving under or in front of a passer or thrower after the passer or thrower is in the air with his or her feet off the floor.

The italics are mine. I'll leave it up to you to read the rest of the section (10-21), but it basically says that the guarding player can't charge into the dribbler, and that if the dribbler gets head and shoulders past the guarding player, it's a block.

My reading of this is that if the B1 moves sideways, perpendicular to A1's dribbling path, neither towards nor away from A1, and A1 crashes into B1's torso, then B1 is still in legal guarding position and we have a PC foul on A1.

What has that got to do with LEANING into the dribbler. When not talking about a guard who has shifted to "maintain his or her position in the path of the dribbler." That means to move the feet and continue in a LGP in the path. It does not mean to lean into the dribblers path.

You may want to take a look at the rules of verticality.

NCAA 4-69-1f
The defender may not “belly up” or use the lower part of the body or arms to cause contact outside his or her vertical plane.

I have yet to ever call a PC foul when a dribbler struck a defender on the arm.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jan 12th, 2004 at 10:46 PM]