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Here's an example for you. A1 is dribbling the ball up the floor, still in the BC. The defense is packed back in a tight zone with the closest defender 40' away from A1. While dribbling, A1 carries the ball on one dribble. Are you going to call that? How does this effect the play? It's no different than the play you describe feom an advantage/disadvantage viewpoint. If you don't call it, then you've applied advantage/disadvantage. Comments? |
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I don't know about you, but I am going to call the violation on A1 in your play. I think the difference is that 3 seconds is a violation that is normally associated with a player that does not have control of the ball. Its just one of those I know it when I see it type of plays. And I don't see it very often.
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There's no rationale to that type of logic.
You ignore the 3 second call because you don't like the rule, yet you call the palming. That is no difference whatsoever, with regards to advantage/disadvantage in the two plays. But you apply it to one and not the other. BTW, I disagree with that 3 seconds will be eliminated. In a day when rough play is a POE every year, the NF is not going to eliminate a rule that will lead to increased rough play in the lane. |
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I called an 8th grade tourny this weekend... I wait and see if they gained anything by three seconds or if the post play is bad for three seconds. Someone camping out not getting anything... now a girl has been in the lane 4 maybe 5 seconds - basically longer than 3) and she gets a ball bam - 3 seconds... even if she was there for longer. My mentor, as big of a jerk he can be when talking to me sometimes (I dont mind it because his son told me today that his dad just wants to see me be a GREAT official somewhere someday because he's my potential so he's just harder on me than the rest of the guys -always in private though), is really trying to get me into the advantage/disadvangte frame of mind for officiating and so far to me, its the ONLY way to officiate basketball.
in 6 games this weeked (for this particular tournament) i called 8 3-seconds... in 2 games in another tourny I called 2 and they were in the 1st game.
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I'm trailing the play since it was a long pass but I am watching the pivot foot and my C calls traveling. It looked like he traveled but he did not. I see this happen way too much. Officials call traveling when it looks like it and not actually when they've traveled. And it could be because it was right in front of the bench and the coach was calling for a travel etc., But, still that doesn't make it the right call. As far as traveling I think we do a pretty good job of calling in the front court, but I think we miss way too many in the paint. Thanks DAvid |
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Chuck,
I'm definitely with you on this point. I call travelling all of the time on shooters that have to "set their feet" by taking two steps to get a shot off!! I get a look from them like, "what??". All you have to do is watch them warm up and it is unbelievable how they can't take a shot without travelling first. If I was a coach, I would tell the players they were doing this. But that would make too much sense for a coach to do something like that. I believe that these travels have to be called because the player is definitely gaining an advantage by adjusting both feet. Why aren't all officials calling this play correctly? I especially like the player catching the ball inside the arc and taking two steps back to get behind the line and launching a shot!! "keep 'em straight up" |
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JAR - I tend to remeber my numbers pretty good so I could break down the game in my head on the way home. And when the highest scoring game that you call out of the whole two weekend is 29 28(OT BABY!) You remeber the little things like that (or atleast I do).
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