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Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:49pm

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Originally posted by WinterWillie
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You obviously don't believe me so go to the source:
http://www.casciac.org

[/B][/QUOTE]I did. Can you point out now where that website proves or disproves your statement? I couldn't find anything remotely related to it in there.

WinterWillie Wed Jan 14, 2004 01:03pm

Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
O course, as to what school I attend . . . :mad: . . . . Tony, I'm looking in your direction . . .
LOL! :D

I guess that means it's GW! :)

But just to verify, have you ever seen a CIAC official request that this information be put in the book?

We are not CIAC officials. We are IAABO officials. The CIAC is the governing body for high school sports in the state and establishes the rules concerning high school sports. (see newsparper article posted in reply to Mark DeNucci, Sr.)

Without regard to whether you're an IAABO, a CIAC, or an ABCDEFG official, I have now heard from 1 scorer and 3 other officials who officiate basketball in the state of Connecticut. All four tell me that they've NEVER been told, nor have they ever seen another official rquire the information to be placed in the book.

Evidently, you're the only official in the entire state who does this. :(

Mark Dexter said, "Now, the scorekeeper at my school would often do this"- Did he ask him/her why he/she did this? Was it because WW said to? Why do you think the scorekeeper did this? They certainly would have had to ask the coach if his/her players had contacts in-they couldn't have guessed. Hmmmmm, 1 HS scorer, 3 officials, there are over 800 IAABO officials in the state on five boards, that survey doesn't seem very comprehensive. Are you an IAABO official?

BktBallRef Wed Jan 14, 2004 01:08pm

Re: Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
Are you an IAABO official?
I'd sooner slit my wrists.

Like I said Willie, if it's true, then provide some proof.

It's no different than a play interpetation. If you believe you're right, you provide a rule reference or a case play.

If you correct about this, simply post the policy reference from the CIAC or IAABO (You can't seem to m ake up your mind who has this policy) and the discussion will be over.

I don't think you can.

BTW, I tried to find it on the CIAC website as well, and I don't find it there. So, please, help us out.

WinterWillie Wed Jan 14, 2004 01:09pm

Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by WinterWillie
You obviously don't believe me so go to the source:
http://www.casciac.org

[/B]
I did. Can you point out now where that website proves or disproves your statement? I couldn't find anything remotely related to it in there. [/B][/QUOTE]

You didn't answer my question.

cmathews Wed Jan 14, 2004 01:17pm

Re: Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
You obviously don't believe me so go to the source:
http://www.casciac.org

I did. Can you point out now where that website proves or disproves your statement? I couldn't find anything remotely related to it in there. [/B]
You didn't answer my question. [/B][/QUOTE]

Willie, having read several posts on this subject and others, and watching human nature in general I have come to some conclusions. The conclusion I come to here is this. If someone asks an individual for documentation to substantiate an opinion, and the individual just avoids providing the documentation, it usually doesn't exist. Most of us have gone to the website you listed, none of us could find anything. I searched the entire SITE for the phrase contact lenses, the only thing I could find where contacts are mentioned is on the physical form that a doctor fills out. You mentioned that BBR didn't asnwer your question, well in your little tirade you asked about 4 questions, the last one being the only non-rhetorical one, BBR kindly pointed out that he would like to pursue many other options other than being an IAABO official.....not that Tony needs my help, but I thought I would point that out to you....

ChuckElias Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:44am

Ok, I too went to the website and didn't see anything regarding contacts. I did, however, see a link for "contact us". So I did. I received this email back from Tony Mosa, who is the Assistant Executive Director for CIAC. Here's what he sent me:

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Chuck, The CIAC complies with the National Federation rules. I do not see any rule governing contact lenses. I suggest that you contact the CIAC
interpreter, Bill O'Donnell, @ [phone number withheld].
Tony Mosa, CIAC
I may try to call Bill, but I doubt it. This seems sufficient to me. :shrug:

cmathews Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:52am

Chuck,
Clever little addition to the tag line....I don't understand either one, but appreciate humor even if I don't understand it LOL

BktBallRef Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:55am

Re: Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
You obviously don't believe me so go to the source:
http://www.casciac.org

I did. Can you point out now where that website proves or disproves your statement? I couldn't find anything remotely related to it in there. [/B]
You didn't answer my question. [/B][/QUOTE]

There a lot of questions that have been posted for you that you haven't answered. :(

Perhaps because you can't.

WinterWillie Thu Jan 15, 2004 04:17pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Ok, I too went to the website and didn't see anything regarding contacts. I did, however, see a link for "contact us". So I did. I received this email back from Tony Mosa, who is the Assistant Executive Director for CIAC. Here's what he sent me:

Quote:

Chuck, The CIAC complies with the National Federation rules. I do not see any rule governing contact lenses. I suggest that you contact the CIAC
interpreter, Bill O'Donnell, @ [phone number withheld].
Tony Mosa, CIAC
I may try to call Bill, but I doubt it. This seems sufficient to me. :shrug:

I suggest you call Bill O'Donnell- he is my interpreter.

WinterWillie Thu Jan 15, 2004 04:34pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
Are you an IAABO official?
I'd sooner slit my wrists.

Like I said Willie, if it's true, then provide some proof.

It's no different than a play interpetation. If you believe you're right, you provide a rule reference or a case play.

If you correct about this, simply post the policy reference from the CIAC or IAABO (You can't seem to m ake up your mind who has this policy) and the discussion will be over.

I don't think you can.

BTW, I tried to find it on the CIAC website as well, and I don't find it there. So, please, help us out.

Lets see, the CIAC assistant executive administrator, Tony Mosa told you to call Bill O'Donnell, the state interpreter for IAABO. Where do you think this is coming from CIAC or IAABO? You don't believe me. YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!!!

Dan_ref Thu Jan 15, 2004 04:38pm

Re: Re: Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
Are you an IAABO official?
I'd sooner slit my wrists.



C'mon...it aint that bad! It's actually worth the few bucks per year.

cmathews Thu Jan 15, 2004 04:49pm

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Originally posted by WinterWillie
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
Are you an IAABO official?
I'd sooner slit my wrists.

Like I said Willie, if it's true, then provide some proof.

It's no different than a play interpetation. If you believe you're right, you provide a rule reference or a case play.

If you correct about this, simply post the policy reference from the CIAC or IAABO (You can't seem to m ake up your mind who has this policy) and the discussion will be over.

I don't think you can.

BTW, I tried to find it on the CIAC website as well, and I don't find it there. So, please, help us out.

Lets see, the CIAC assistant executive administrator, Tony Mosa told you to call Bill O'Donnell, the state interpreter for IAABO. Where do you think this is coming from CIAC or IAABO? You don't believe me. YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!!!

Willie, with all due respect this post doesn't make it any more clear. Above Mr O'Donnell is referred to as the CIAC interpreter, you call him the state interpreter for IAABO, so it really isn't clear.


BTW for all to see here what purpose does IAABO serve. We don't have it around here, so it is a legit question. When I went to the website they list NHFS rules and changes....so I am somewhat confused, near as I can tell it is just another association to pay dues to.....

BktBallRef Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:01pm

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Originally posted by WinterWillie
Lets see, the CIAC assistant executive administrator, Tony Mosa told you to call Bill O'Donnell, the state interpreter for IAABO. Where do you think this is coming from CIAC or IAABO? You don't believe me. YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!!!
First, you tell us to look on the CIAC site.

Then, you tell us to call the IAABO interpreter.

Can you make up your frickin' mind?

Which is it, a CIAC policy or an IAABO policy and where can it be found in print?

Can you at least answer that question?

Chuck, if youll email me with the guy's number, I'll be glad to call him tomorrow.

BktBallRef Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:04pm

Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
Are you an IAABO official?
I'd sooner slit my wrists.



C'mon...it aint that bad! It's actually worth the few bucks per year.

Dan, did you read the post WinterWillie wrote regarding his scheduling and fines? It's complete horse$hit to have to tolerate such. Of course, he may be just making it up.

Dan_ref Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:13pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by WinterWillie
Are you an IAABO official?
I'd sooner slit my wrists.



C'mon...it aint that bad! It's actually worth the few bucks per year.

Dan, did you read the post WinterWillie wrote regarding his scheduling and fines? It's complete horse$hit to have to tolerate such. Of course, he may be just making it up.

I don't know about Willie but fines & fees are determined by individual association and have nothing to do with IAABO. Also, I happen to get ZERO games from IAABO but my HS assigners require I belong to IAABO.



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