If a player a)loses a contact lense and game is stopped to try to find it or b)loses a contact lense and simply needs to put it back into his/eye, what is proper administration in regards to player remaining in the game, etc?

Is this handled with the "injured player" procedure, ie player must leave game or be "bought" back into the game with a timeout. If the player can put it back in his/her eye in a very brief period of time, can they simply stay in the game without any circumstances?

Is NCAA and NF similar on this?

Thanks

Not quoting rule book .....

Glass's and contacts dislodged get a stop. Nothing else. Referee timeout. More so in the lower levels. Higher levels don't stop a play in progress but at the first "fair" break in play.

Being a glasses wearer myself, i know the cost to replace broken glasses or contact lenses. So, as soon as i see a pair of glasses on the floor, or a player tells me he's lost a contact, i stop play immediately to get everything cleared up. If the player finds his/her contact, and wants to put it back on, i direct them to go to a water fountain or bathroom to wash it out first. I don' t think its a good idea to stick something that's been on the floor into your eye. If they can go on without it, i allow them to leave it somewhere and continue playing.

Contact lenses
 

When you check the book at the ten minute mark before the game begins, you should ask each coach to put in the book contact lenses and inhalers by each player's name who uses them. If that is done and you have an incident where a player loses a lens or has an asthma attack, you do not have to charge a TO to team whose player may be involved. If they have not put them in the book, then you will have to charge a TO to the team. The importance of this cannot be overstated because in the late stages of a very close game a team that does not list these things could be charged a timeout when they don't have any timeouts left which could then result in the team being assessed a technical foul. Or on the other hand, if you have an unscrupulous, savy coach, he/she may have a player act like he/she has lost a lens during a close games if he feels he needs a timeout and he doesn't want to use the one he has left in an attempt to save it for the end of the game.

Re: Contact lenses
 

Willie - want to give us a rule book reference to back this up? Without one, I'm stopping the clock for an injured/potentially injured player (especially in the case of an asthmatic) and not charging anyone with the timeout.

Re: Contact lenses
 

Yo Willie...do you do this really? I mean really? I dunno...life's complicated enough for me...if a coach or player is this clever let him have the freebie.

FWIW...last month I had a juco game where a player was fouled, after I report instead of going to the line he goes to the bench. As he passed me he told me he lost a lense on the foul (he was hit in the face). The opposing coach starts in on me "you can't let him do that! he's got to go to the line now or come out!" I simply said "coach, he lost a contact lense" and the coach sat down. Now...what if he ran to the book demanding to see where the little "c" for contact lense was next to his name?

Re: Contact lenses
 

Willie, that's completely archaic. There's no rule to back up such a process or assessing a technical foul if the player's condition isn't noted in the book.

If a player says he's lost a CL, you stop play at an opportune time per the injury rule. If it can be secured, he secures it, and play continues. But you don't note this type of thing in the scorebook nor do you ask the captain these questions during pre-game.

Contact lenses
 

I've been doing this for years since I was instructed to do so by our state interpreter and our local association interpreter. Our state athletic association directives supersede any NFHS rules. Our state directives often vary from federation rules such as the one whether to signal when the defensive player is not within 6' of the offensive player
Whereas, federation does not direct you to use , our state
directs us to use it. Our state athletic association also requires the home team to have an athletic trainer present at every athletic contest-a very expensive proposition. Let me
stress, the safety of the players is our first and foremost concern when we (as officials) are on the court. The purpose in requiring coaches to put this in the book is a preventative mechanic and I have NEVER had a coach (we only ask the coaches not the captains) object to it in all the years that we have used it. Why would the coaches object? It also lessens any liability that may arise from a negligence lawsuit. If you had a player collapse on the court, wouldn't you want to know he had an asthmatic condition. If a player tells you he has lost a contact lens how would you know if he was wearing lens and could be believed, after all, how many times have you called a foul on a player only to have them deny it. If they wanted to use a trick play out there, this is a way to avoid it. A technical foul is the least of our concerns!

Re: Contact lenses
 

That doesn't make it any less archaic and antiquated. No one does this anymore. How long ago were you told to do this? You might want to check with your state association to see if it is still common practice.

So, if a kid collapses and it's not in the book that he has epileptic seizures, you're not going to stop play? Are you going to run over to the book and check it?

If a kid tells you he's lost a contact, and he's not in the book, are you going to ignore him? Let's say you stop the game, he's not in the book, are you going to call T? What if he finds it and shows it to you?

I hope I know the answer to those questions. The point is, whether this is in the book or not, I'm going to stop play when necessary. In the 18+ years I've been officiating, I've never done what you suggest. And in that same 18 years, I've had a kid tell me he lost his contact lens exactly ONE time. Honestly, it's not that big of a problem.

I can't argue with you there.

Look, I'm not beating you up, especially if that's what they told you to do. But it's not necessary. It's a non-issue. If it was, it would be an NF rule. If your state is requiring an athletic trainer on the bench, then he should be aware if a player has a medical condition. I've also had coaches come to me before a game and tell me that "#4 is deaf" or "#44 has ...." That's fine. But I didn't to have that written in the scorebook.

Years ago, contacts lens were $300 or $400 a pair. It was necessary to stop and find a CL. Now, they're $17 a box of 6. If the kid loses one, he goes to the bench and pops another one in. It's crazy to try and enforce this with a technical foul.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jan 10th, 2004 at 01:15 PM]

as far as the eyewear/lens it is covered under
"5-11 exceptions: No time out is charged:
1. if in 5-8-3 the players request results from displaced eyeglasses/lens"

There is no requirement for that player to leave the contest
or for the team to use a TO to keep the player in the contest as if injured. This stoppage is to prevent injury
and to protect the eyewear/lens. after recovering the eyewear/lens (maybe a brief moment to clean)the player must be ready to play or must leave the game.

In the case of an asthmatic player any request to stop play
is treated like an injury stoppage. per 3-3-5 and 5-8-2

Re: Contact lenses
 

I've been doing this for years since I was instructed to do so by our state interpreter and our local association interpreter. Our state athletic association directives supersede any NFHS rules. Our state directives often vary from federation rules such as the one whether to signal when the defensive player is not within 6' of the offensive player

[/B][/QUOTE]If your State interpreter and local interpreter tell you to do it, then you do it. It's that simple. Btw, just wondering-what state? I've never heard of this one. Also btw, there was never a FED rule or mechanic for a signal on a closely guarded situation. That's a college mechanic.

Contact lenses
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef
I've also had coaches come to me before a game and tell me that "#4 is deaf" or "#44 has ...." That's fine. But I did to have that written in the scorebook.

In today's litigious society, a very wise thing to do,
as you know you need to cover your back.

The state association says thats the way it is, that is the final word.

The technical foul would be as a result of the timeout created by deception of the team to stop play for the lens which wasn't in the book that put them over the limit (5). I have never seen it happen.

The athletic trainers are aware of the health history of their own players but are only there to attend to players injured on the visiting team. NFHS rules do not require an athletic trainer at games.

Willie,

I'm not you're enemy, partner. If your state says do it, then do it. But again, you said you've been doing this for years. When was the last time someone told you this is still the policy? What state are you in? Do they have this is writing anywhere, so that new officials may read it?

As for this deception that your state seems to fear, there's no guarantee, that just because it's marked in the book, you're going to prevent a coach from pulling such a stunt.

I'm a coach. Before the game, I indicate in the scorebook that every player on my roster wears contact lens or I indicate that #34 wears CL. With 30 seconds to go, I'm out of TOs. Any player or #34 tells you that he's lost his CL. You stop the clock, and we look for the CL. But guess what? We aren't going to find it, because he doesn't wear CL. But you have no way of knowing that. What are you going to do? You can't prove it. That's why you've never seen it. It just doesn't work.

Further, noting such in the score book does nothing from a legal standpoint. If you stop the play when a player goes down, you don't have to concern yourself with whether it was noted in the book or note. You do what's right, which is stopping the clock, without considering whether they "might" be trying to get away with something.

It simply isn't necessary. Notice that you're not getting tons of replies supporting this idea either. But if your state says do, do it.

Stay warm. I'm sure trying to! http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/cold.gif

Re: Contact lenses
 

(snip)

Quote:

The purpose in requiring coaches to put this in the book is a preventative mechanic and I have NEVER had a coach (we only ask the coaches not the captains) object to it in all the years that we have used it. Why would the coaches object?

If it's a standard practice, wouldn't the coaches just put the info in the book as a matter of course? You should rarely need to ask.

Contact lenses
 

If your State interpreter and local interpreter tell you to do it, then you do it. It's that simple. Btw, just wondering-what state? I've never heard of this one. Also btw, there was never a FED rule or mechanic for a signal on a closely guarded situation. That's a college mechanic. [/B][/QUOTE]

It is not a NFHS rule or mechanic, it is a directive from our state athletic association.

It is not a NFHS rule or mechanic, it is a directive from our state athletic association.
[/B][/QUOTE]Again,Willie, what state?

Contact lenses
 

Again,Willie, what state? [/B][/QUOTE]

Connecticut

Contact lenses
 

They usually do. Another standard practice that we are required to do before each game is to ask each coach in the presence of our partner(s) (for legal reasons) if their players are properly equipped (no jewelry, etc.)and ask them to place the emphasis on sportsmanship. Now those are ones I should rarely need to ask- I deal with one coach who has been coaching forty four years- but I do.

Re: Contact lenses
 

We all do that.

2-4-5
The referee shall:
Prior to each contest, the head coach shall verify that his/her team member' s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest.

Willie,

In my 4 years of doing the book/clock in CT during high school, I never heard of any directive from CAS/CIAC mandating this policy.

Now, the scorekeeper at my school would often do this, but it was never mandated by the refs, and it was never done at any away games.

If you don't mind me asking, for what board do you work? I'm wondering if this is a local issue.

Contact lenses
 

Mark

I just went thru the IAABO Connecticut State Board of Basketball Officals Annual Directory for the State of Connecticut 2003-2004 and I also went thru the IAABO National Directory of Basketball Officials-High School Edition. I did
not see you listed in either publication. Are you a basketball official?

Since he may not be around today, I'll answer this question for him.

No, he isn't an official in CT, at least not yet. He's a college student these days. But when he was in HS in CT, he was a scorer and timer during his four years.

He also frequented this board during the past the past 4 plus years and probably know more about basketball officiating than many officials.

Bottom line, we raised him! :)

I refuse to take any of the blame for how he turned out!

Hey, he's a student at Georgetown.

One day, he may even be a...GULP...lawyer!

Oh well! :p

I thought he was studying chemistry...

At Georgetown?

Then he's not as smart as I thought. :(

And I had such high hopes! :)

Georgetown or George Washington? For some reason, I thought he is at GWU.

WHo knows? You could be right? :)

I know there's a George in it somewhere!

Here's a post I addressed to another CT official.

BktBalRef - Sorry for the delay in my reply, I had to step out for a while. In any case, I have not seen or heard of this as of yet. I can tell you that coaches get information to them a little slow around here. I have a good friend who is a varsity coach at a local high school and he was unaware of any of the POE that the NFHS has listed for the year. I will ask around and check with our board secreatary Joe G.

_____________________________________________

WinterWillie, have you had an opportunity to check with the CIAC and find out if this is still their policy?

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jan 13th, 2004 at 12:17 PM]

Delay
 

I would allow them to try to pop it back in but if they cannot get it in after in timely manner I will request a replacement. As to what is a timely manner? That is why I was hired to work the game because I don't think it is covered by the rules.

Re: Contact lenses
 

Nope - but I know quite a few who are listed in those directories.

I think everyone got it right about my CT status (I am still a legal resident).

Of course, as to what school I attend . . . . :mad: . . . . Tony, I'm looking in your direction . . .

Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

LOL! :D

I guess that means it's GW! :)

But just to verify, have you ever seen a CIAC official request that this information be put in the book?

I have officiated close to 200 hundred games with CT basketball officials and I have never had one do this. I just don't know where WinterWillie is coming from.

MTD, Sr.

Contact lenses
 

You obviously do not officiate games in my state. Each year, every basketball official in the state is required to attend mandatory interpretation meetings (with severe penalties for non attendance) where all rules the state association
instituted are discussed. The IAABO state interpreter (who also happens to be the local interpreter for my board) is the person who goes over these rules. The CAS/CIAC has been known to impose very stringent restrictions upon the public schools with in the state. The most recent controversy with the CAS/CIAC happened this weekend when three HS girls (varsity basketball players) attended an alumni game at a local HS and because of a shortage of players, were asked to participate by one of their coaches. The CAS/CIAC has declared these three HS ineligible and banned them from competiton for the rest of the basketball season. (Read the following article which was in todays newspaper)

CIAC lacks compassion

Wednesday, January 14, 2004

MILLS COLUMN

It is a clear-cut violation. They broke the rules. Ignorance is no defense.

Three basketball players from Lewis Mills High School, a junior and two sophomores, have been told to hand in their uniforms. They played for a matter of minutes in an alumni basketball game. Not enough alums showed up so a few athletes came out of the stands to help. They took a couple of turns around the floor. They never broke a sweat. They gave a couple of geezers a rest. That is the sum total of their violation.

But then the bureaucrats in the fancy suits and the plush offices decided this behavior to be so heinous that these three players have been banned from playing basketball for their high school team for the rest of the season. Think about that. This is only a game. It is an extracurricular activity designed to augment a teenager's educational experience. But these players, so it is judged, no longer merit that experience. All the wonderful things we associate with playing a simple game is now denied to them.

If the story wasn't so tragic it would almost make you laugh.

The lords of high school sports, the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference are just doing their

job. But I wonder, are they doing their job well? We've beaten them up in the past over similar issues. It is a pointless exercise, really, but we do it because we hope that someday they'll realize that they love their rules too much, that the worship of legal jargon has blinded them to justice.

To be fair, this eligibility rule grew out of need. Once upon a time young athletes, who understood only the love of a game, were pawns in the hands of powerful men. Young men played games on weekends for club teams, and they played under assumed names. The athletes were simply in pursuit of another chance to play a game. Dishonest men and crooked coaches used the innocent to earn glory.

Eligibility rules are a necessary part of the scholastic sports equation. Every team deserves a fair and equal opportunity to achieve success. That's why the CIAC established rules for when you can start training, when you can play and, most importantly it seems, when you cannot play.

If you hang out around high school sports long enough, you begin to understand clearly that there is no such thing as fair and equal in this world. There are high school baseball teams that go south for a week of spring training. There are swim teams that train in warmer climates over the holidays. Wrestling teams, cross country teams, softball teams, you name the sport, there are schools that benefit from a huge competitive advantage because they aggressively raise funds to attend camps, or buy better equipment, or higher more coaches.

And yet the best the CIAC can do to level the proverbial playing field is banish three kids for three months. Does anyone believe that those few minutes of court time will give these players a competitive advantage over the rest of the Berkshire League?

Basketball players dream about pick-up games the way oil barons dream about gushers. A pick-up game played in a schoolyard does not violate CIAC rules. But donating your time to a charity event, or in this case, just being a good kid who wanted to help, carries with it a death penalty.

Here's the awful truth about this so-called violation: If the scoreboard hadn't been turned on, if no one kept a score book, the game wouldn't have been "official." If it isn't official, rules were not broken.

But instead, they've branded three players as cheaters. Professional athletes take illegal substances, college athletes who don't have jobs drive around in fancy sports cars, and yet a couple of kids from Lewis Mills are banned for the season. How dumb is that?

The decision will be appealed. On occasion the CIAC has changed a ruling. There seems little chance that this will be one of those occasions. As we said at the top, a rule was broken. We can only hope that someday our beloved rules will be administered with compassion.

Joe Palladino is a Republican-American staff writer. He can be e-mailed at [email protected]

The lords of HS sports, the CIAC, don't tell me what they can
and cannot do.

Contact lenses
 

We are not CIAC officials. We are IAABO officials. The CIAC is the governing body for high school sports in the state and establishes the rules concerning high school sports. (see newsparper article posted in reply to Mark DeNucci, Sr.)

Re: Contact lenses
 

Willie, you still didn't answer Mark's question.

Is it MANDATED by the CIAC through your IAABO state interpreter that coaches MUST designate players who wear contact lenses in the score book before the game starts, and if they don't a time-out will be charged to that team if that player loses a contact and needs to replace it?

Just tell us "yes" or "no". If "yes", I'm sure that Mark can contact your state IAABO rep and confirm that. Mark's on several IAABO committees, and has many contacts.

Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

Do you mean he wears many contacts (more than 2 anyway) at any particular time or do you mean he owns many sets of contacts...anyway I do not see how Mark is an authority simply because he wears contacts...

(Sorry, I couldn't stop myself.)

Re: Contact lenses
 

Without regard to whether you're an IAABO, a CIAC, or an ABCDEFG official, I have now heard from 1 scorer and 3 other officials who officiate basketball in the state of Connecticut. All four tell me that they've NEVER been told, nor have they ever seen another official rquire the information to be placed in the book.

Evidently, you're the only official in the entire state who does this. :(

Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

I'm sorry that you couldn't stop yourself too.

Jerry Krause??

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jan 14th, 2004 at 11:03 AM]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

:D

Gonna take your walk today? Make it a nice long one!

:p

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

Gonna take your walk today? Make it a nice long one!

[/B][/QUOTE]Believe it or not, on ol' CrankyA$$' agenda this afternoon is making a snowman with his granddaughter. She's doing the heavy lifting and I'm helping with the decorating.

Of course,that's after her and I have a walk. She insists on that(gramma got to her). Oh well,maybe we'll see a robin.

We do snow angels too!

Re: Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

Hey, he was coming to NY one way or the other, only question was would George or Isiah pay for the move. ;)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

Stay away from the yellow snow! http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/shocker.gif

Anybody who hires Jerry Krause is an idiot. I guess that means George will probably get to him first.

Anybody who hires Jerry Krause is an idiot. I guess that means George will probably get to him first.

[/B][/QUOTE]He already has. The Yankee's hired him as a scout yesterday.

Contact lenses
 

You obviously don't believe me so go to the source:
http://www.casciac.org

In what state are you an official?

You obviously don't believe me so go to the source:
http://www.casciac.org

[/B][/QUOTE]I did. Can you point out now where that website proves or disproves your statement? I couldn't find anything remotely related to it in there.

Contact lenses
 

Mark Dexter said, "Now, the scorekeeper at my school would often do this"- Did he ask him/her why he/she did this? Was it because WW said to? Why do you think the scorekeeper did this? They certainly would have had to ask the coach if his/her players had contacts in-they couldn't have guessed. Hmmmmm, 1 HS scorer, 3 officials, there are over 800 IAABO officials in the state on five boards, that survey doesn't seem very comprehensive. Are you an IAABO official?

Re: Contact lenses
 

I'd sooner slit my wrists.

Like I said Willie, if it's true, then provide some proof.

It's no different than a play interpetation. If you believe you're right, you provide a rule reference or a case play.

If you correct about this, simply post the policy reference from the CIAC or IAABO (You can't seem to m ake up your mind who has this policy) and the discussion will be over.

I don't think you can.

BTW, I tried to find it on the CIAC website as well, and I don't find it there. So, please, help us out.

Contact lenses
 

I did. Can you point out now where that website proves or disproves your statement? I couldn't find anything remotely related to it in there. [/B][/QUOTE]

You didn't answer my question.

Re: Contact lenses
 

You didn't answer my question. [/B][/QUOTE]

Willie, having read several posts on this subject and others, and watching human nature in general I have come to some conclusions. The conclusion I come to here is this. If someone asks an individual for documentation to substantiate an opinion, and the individual just avoids providing the documentation, it usually doesn't exist. Most of us have gone to the website you listed, none of us could find anything. I searched the entire SITE for the phrase contact lenses, the only thing I could find where contacts are mentioned is on the physical form that a doctor fills out. You mentioned that BBR didn't asnwer your question, well in your little tirade you asked about 4 questions, the last one being the only non-rhetorical one, BBR kindly pointed out that he would like to pursue many other options other than being an IAABO official.....not that Tony needs my help, but I thought I would point that out to you....

Ok, I too went to the website and didn't see anything regarding contacts. I did, however, see a link for "contact us". So I did. I received this email back from Tony Mosa, who is the Assistant Executive Director for CIAC. Here's what he sent me:

I may try to call Bill, but I doubt it. This seems sufficient to me. :shrug:

Chuck,
Clever little addition to the tag line....I don't understand either one, but appreciate humor even if I don't understand it LOL

Re: Contact lenses
 

You didn't answer my question. [/B][/QUOTE]

There a lot of questions that have been posted for you that you haven't answered. :(

Perhaps because you can't.

I suggest you call Bill O'Donnell- he is my interpreter.

Lets see, the CIAC assistant executive administrator, Tony Mosa told you to call Bill O'Donnell, the state interpreter for IAABO. Where do you think this is coming from CIAC or IAABO? You don't believe me. YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!!!

Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

C'mon...it aint that bad! It's actually worth the few bucks per year.

Willie, with all due respect this post doesn't make it any more clear. Above Mr O'Donnell is referred to as the CIAC interpreter, you call him the state interpreter for IAABO, so it really isn't clear.


BTW for all to see here what purpose does IAABO serve. We don't have it around here, so it is a legit question. When I went to the website they list NHFS rules and changes....so I am somewhat confused, near as I can tell it is just another association to pay dues to.....

First, you tell us to look on the CIAC site.

Then, you tell us to call the IAABO interpreter.

Can you make up your frickin' mind?

Which is it, a CIAC policy or an IAABO policy and where can it be found in print?

Can you at least answer that question?

Chuck, if youll email me with the guy's number, I'll be glad to call him tomorrow.

Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

Dan, did you read the post WinterWillie wrote regarding his scheduling and fines? It's complete horse$hit to have to tolerate such. Of course, he may be just making it up.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Contact lenses
 

I don't know about Willie but fines & fees are determined by individual association and have nothing to do with IAABO. Also, I happen to get ZERO games from IAABO but my HS assigners require I belong to IAABO.

The CIAC would make the directive. They (CIAC) would then meet with the state board of IAABO officials representing each district and tell them to enforce it. The CIAC uses the NFHS for there rules but often issues rules that surpersede them. When we go to our mandatory interpretation meeting, they (IAABO) discuss any rules changes on a (CIAC)state level and we are told to enforce them. There is no rule book handed out and there is no casebook to back it up. We are told to do it no ifs ands or buts. Bill O'Donnell was the (IAABO) board interpreter of the local board and instructed us to do this, he is also the state board (IAABO) interpreter. In the year 2000, Bill O'Donnell was selected the most outstanding official in the State of Connecticut and received the James E Coogan Award which is given in honor of that distinction. Having worked with him, I can tell you that he was truly deserving of the award.
I worked with a Division 1 College official (Atlantic 10 Conference) last night at a Connecticut high school game and when he requested that contact lenses and inhalers be put in the book, I mentioned the feedback I was getting at the officialforum. He asked me why would an official from North Carolina be so concerned with what officials from Connecticut are directed to do by their state association. I couldn't give him an answer. Maybe he doesn't like what's going to happen when Connecticut goes to North Carolina this Saturday.

THis gets sweeter all the time!
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WinterWillie
The CIAC would make the directive. They (CIAC) would then meet with the state board of IAABO officials representing each district and tell them to enforce it. The CIAC uses the NFHS for there rules but often issues rules that surpersede them. When we go to our mandatory interpretation meeting, they (IAABO) discuss any rules changes on a (CIAC)state level and we are told to enforce them. There is no rule book handed out and there is no casebook to back it up. We are told to do it no ifs ands or buts. Bill O'Donnell was the (IAABO) board interpreter of the local board and instructed us to do this, he is also the state board (IAABO) interpreter. [/QUOTE

You change your story so much I can't keep up with it?

Why did you tell us to look on the CIAC website if the information isn't there? First, you tell us it is, then you tell us it isn't handed out and you can't back it up.

Routinely, such people who do this suffer from credibility issues with others.

Contact lenses
 

I have identified the person who told me to put contact lenses and inhalers in the book, now you identify the three officials who officiate basketball in the state of Connecticut who told you that they've NEVER been told, nor have they ever seen another official reqire the information to be placed in the book. If you do not or won't identify the officials involved then you are the one who has absolutely no credibility.

Re: Contact lenses
 

I have identified the person who told me to put contact lenses and inhalers in the book, now you identify the three officials who officiate basketball in the state of Connecticut who told you that they've NEVER been told, nor have they ever seen another official reqire the information to be placed in the book. If you do not or won't identify the officials involved then you are the one who has absolutely no credibility.
[/B][/QUOTE]Willie,if you've identified the person, then give us his name, title, and a way to contact him- e-mail preferably. You told us to contact the CIAC. Well, Chuck Elias did, and they've never heard of the procedure that you're claming is a rule.Now you're claiming someone else put the rule in . Someone on this board will contact that person, if it will settle this once and for all.

Btw, if you don't post contact information for this person, let me suggest that you just drop this thread so that we can all forget about it. No more excuses, please.

Troll
 

I would just ignore him. He's obviously trolling.

Contact lenses
 

Willie,if you've identified the person, then give us his name, title, and a way to contact him- e-mail preferably. You told us to contact the CIAC. Well, Chuck Elias did, and they've never heard of the procedure that you're claming is a rule.Now you're claiming someone else put the rule in . Someone on this board will contact that person, if it will settle this once and for all.

Btw, if you don't post contact information for this person, let me suggest that you just drop this thread so that we can all forget about it. No more excuses, please. [/B][/QUOTE]

Chuck, The CIAC complies with the National Federation rules. I do not see any rule governing contact lenses. I suggest that you contact the CIAC
interpreter, Bill O'Donnell, @ [phone number withheld].
Tony Mosa, CIAC


Elias lives on the Connecticut/Massachusetts border, it would not be a problem for him to contact the CIAC interpreter, that is unless you don't want the truth. The only way this will end is when you understand that in Connecticut, we are directed to put contact lenses and inhalers in the book. End of story. End of thread.

Note: You may think of this as a "board", but in reality this is only a chatroom.

Re: Contact lenses
 

Amen!

Re: Contact lenses
 

You must be butter 'cause you're on a roll! You're wrong every time you post! :D

This is not a chatroom. Chat rooms are realtime discussionsessions where you can speak directly to the group or an individual. If you are not logged into the room, you do not see the discussions that occur when you're absent.

This is a discussion forum or board. You can correctly refer to it as either. Posts are made and you can read them anytime. You do not have to be logged to view posts that occur when you're not online.

This is not a chatroom.

UConn/NC
 

Semantics, semantics, semantics.

Hey, you brought it up. :)

A discussion forum is not a chatroom.

Re: UConn/NC
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WinterWillie
[B]Wille,

Why would you give such a reply when you are the one who brought up the issue of definitions and semantic?