I understood your point.

I thought I agreed.

I just thought you were taller and slimmer! This guy doesn't run very well, unless you consider melting, running. ;)

Think of it this way. The possesion arrow was switched to b
when the ball was touched. The next throw in for a is because of the kick violation.

Maybe I am oversimplifying things here, but I look at a kick by the defensive team the same as a tip in which the defensive player has no chance to catch the ball.

In the sitch wth 1 second left, defense up by one, the defender SHOULD do anything he can to touch the ball. This could be a kick, a slap, or a tip, or even an all-out dive to knock the ball OOB. That's good defense, because the clock will likely run out. Yes, it's a violation, and the penalty is that the offensive team gets the ball, possibly with some time elapsed. If the offense does not want to be "disadvantaged" by having to make another throw-in, they should simply make an excellent throw-in that cannot be touched by the defense.

Julie, I always look at any defensive violation (besides BI/GT) this way: The defense tried to improve it's situation (by getting the ball!), but failed to do so legally. So we put things back just as the were before the violation. Offense gets the ball back, no one gains or loses.

In contrast, being the offensive team carries with it the RIGHT to score (duh) and the RESPONSIBILITY to avoid violations.

Does that make any sense?

I understand your point of view. It's just not mine. It doesn't look to me as though things have gone back to the way they were since A no longer has the arrow. But obviously, the rules committee sees it from your perspective, not mine. Now when it's MY turn to be God...

Reminds me of a book spoof I saw way, way back in the 70's called The Joy of Non-Running. There's a picture in there of a guy sort of draped over a chair, sitting next to a table with a brie cheese. The caption is something to the effect that the cheese was ahead in the non-running contest, until the weather heated up and the cheese melted (and thus ran) all over the table. Actually, it's not a bad description of how I spend a lot of my days.

Huh. "The white wizard" and "Bree" mentioned in the same thread. Ever hang out at the Prancing Pony, Juulie? :)

Shucks! No response to the "hobbitses" comment. :(

I bet Juules doesn't know where the Bree or the Prancing Pony is. ;)

I'm bigger than that :D

Bigger than that as in "Gimli." :D

It's been a long, long time.

Actually, Bree is also a character in a C.S.Lewis book which I dearly love, "The Horse and His Boy". Suppose Tolkien and Lewis collaborated on names?

Julie,
As you probably know they were very good friends and met with a couple of others every week to talk about their writings and ideas. C. S. Lewis stated that some of his ideas came from those discuaiions whereas Tolkein brought his ideas to the group and then improved them. Have you read C.S.Lewis non=fiction? I highly reccommend them.
To show my age I remember when LOTR first hit the U.S. and being a member of the TSA (Tolkein Society of America) with Dick Plotz as the first president.
So much for nostalgia and old age, Back to officiating....Where were we anyway????