Long JV Games - Just some random babble

[Rich]

Just got home at 11PM from my varsity boys game.

Fourth quarter of the JV game started at 6:55PM -- we always start dressing at the end of the third quarter. Varsity game scheduled to start at 7:30PM. We take the floor (20 minute warmups) at exactly 7:30PM.

How exactly does a 7 minute quarter of basketball take 35 minutes? How does a non-OT GAME take more than 1:30?

Just venting

Actually, come to think of it, after starting at 7:50PM the game was finished by 9:05PM, which isn't that shabby. 60 mile drive was the killer

It is 3 degrees as I type this. How is the snow in Portland?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Just got home at 11PM from my varsity boys game.

Fourth quarter of the JV game started at 6:55PM -- we always start dressing at the end of the third quarter. Varsity game scheduled to start at 7:30PM. We take the floor (20 minute warmups) at exactly 7:30PM.

How exactly does a 7 minute quarter of basketball take 35 minutes? How does a non-OT GAME take more than 1:30?

Just venting

Actually, come to think of it, after starting at 7:50PM the game was finished by 9:05PM, which isn't that shabby. 60 mile drive was the killer

It is 3 degrees as I type this. How is the snow in Portland?

Official temp around 20 something. Wind chill driving temp down around 0. Three layers of clothes, and a full time forced air gas heating system, and still feeling chilly. Snow everywhere, with a thick crust of ice on top. Haven't had weather like this for about 10 or 15 years.

And the funny part is that I'm still craving ice cream. How bizarre is that!?!? (And you can skip the pickle/craving/pregnancy jokes. Im too old and have too many kids to think they're funny!)

JV girls' games CAN take forever. I've been doing a lot of them the last couple of seasons, and I sympathize. They foul a lot right at the beginning, and right near the end, like the varsity players do, but that middle adjusting-to-how-tight-the-refs-are-calling-it stretch never happens. If you try to back off the calls a little, they just end up in a rugby scrum. I don't pity the varsity refs that work after me though. Even though they're starting late, they're still gonna have a better game than we did.

[Rich]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Official temp around 20 something. Wind chill driving temp down around 0. Three layers of clothes, and a full time forced air gas heating system, and still feeling chilly. Snow everywhere, with a thick crust of ice on top. Haven't had weather like this for about 10 or 15 years.

And the funny part is that I'm still craving ice cream. How bizarre is that!?!? (And you can skip the pickle/craving/pregnancy jokes. Im too old and have too many kids to think they're funny!)

JV girls' games CAN take forever. I've been doing a lot of them the last couple of seasons, and I sympathize. They foul a lot right at the beginning, and right near the end, like the varsity players do, but that middle adjusting-to-how-tight-the-refs-are-calling-it stretch never happens. If you try to back off the calls a little, they just end up in a rugby scrum. I don't pity the varsity refs that work after me though. Even though they're starting late, they're still gonna have a better game than we did.

It was a JV boys game.

Our game was better for the most part. Total of 6 fouls in the first half, I believe. Visitors shooting the double bonus the second half after home falls behind about 10-12 and starts the foul fest with about 3:30 left.

Visitors led 14-0. Final score -- visitors by 7. Last Friday night the visitors were up 14-0 and lost 42-34.

Interesting week.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

It was a JV boys game.

Yes, I see. One does get a little one-track minded when one does only four boys games the whole season. Is JV boys always long like that, the way JV girls tend to be? I haven't done enough JV boys, and haven't watched enough JV boys, to have a feel for that game.

[Larks]

My schedule this year is mostly JV boys or Boys F / JV double headers. What I see is not the JV game per se that screws up the schedule...its the triple header.

Having said that, please dont complain. We do the best we can down here in JV land to keep em moving guys but the game dictates the time, not us. If we start calling games purely to keep you on time at the varsity level, I am sure JV coaches and probably the AD will complain to the assignors about the hackfest we just allowed...which in turn will keep me toiling even longer at the JV level.

There are guys like me who would love to have a varsity schedule full of games that start 30 minutes late. In my area on Friday night there are about 50 Varsity games ...thats 150 class 1 officials out of about 300 eligible in the area. That's 150 guys waiting to get the opportunity.

Covet your schedule Rich.

Larks
VIT

[Rich]

Originally posted by Larks
My schedule this year is mostly JV boys or Boys F / JV double headers. What I see is not the JV game per se that screws up the schedule...its the triple header.

Having said that, please dont complain. We do the best we can down here in JV land to keep em moving guys but the game dictates the time, not us. If we start calling games purely to keep you on time at the varsity level, I am sure JV coaches and probably the AD will complain to the assignors about the hackfest we just allowed...which in turn will keep me toiling even longer at the JV level.

There are guys like me who would love to have a varsity schedule full of games that start 30 minutes late. In my area on Friday night there are about 50 Varsity games ...thats 150 class 1 officials out of about 300 eligible in the area. That's 150 guys waiting to get the opportunity.

Covet your schedule Rich.

Larks
VIT

Oh, I know what it's like, believe me. And mostly, my original post was toungue-in-cheek. There isn't much practical difference between getting home at 10:30 and getting home at 11. We even stopped for food on the way home

Sometimes the games are just hackfests, I realize. JV games can range from "almost like Varsity" to "downright brutal." When I moved into the area last season, I worked a handful of JV games to increase my visibility (where I live, we have to call schools and commissioners to get work and drum up our own schedule -- the more aggressive and the farther you're willing to drive, the more games you get -- for example, this Friday night we will be going over 90 miles one way for a girls game that just happens to be #1 vs. #2 in the conference they're in, which is kinda cool). I had more problems and more "abuse" working those JV games than I have had in all my varsity games here.

Now, about this specific game: We watched the third quarter of this game and there were a lot of fouls called in the quarter. Many seemed to be unnecessary flow-stealing fouls, but that's just the opinion of the guy in the cheap seats. Also, the thing that struck me was that when we arrived at 6:30PM the game was already at halftime and had just started at 6PM. Not strange that we started late, but strange in that the second half took a long time.

Most schools here seem to have 2 gyms and if there's a freshman game they play those at the same time as the JV in the auxiliary gym.

Rich

[Mark Dexter]

In high school, we did doubleheaders (JV/V) all the time - rarely problems with timing.

Now in college, we usually just do one V game on a given night. Rarely do they go over 2 hours except, of course, when there's a doubleheader.

[Danvrapp]

I worked a quadruple overtime game last year. JV started at 6:00, varsity crew took the floor at 8:45.

Needless to say, my partner and I didn't make many friends that evening!

[SteveF]

Couple weeks ago I had the varsity game that would never end. Actually it was JV/V double header. JV game took just over an hour. Varsity game was close and during the last minute or so of the game both teams decided to foul and take all of their time outs. Both teams in bonus so you have a couple of seconds tic off and walk to one end and shoot. Time out. Couple more seconds tic off walk to the other end shoot. Time out. Well you can see where it takes 15 minutes to play just a little over a minutes worth of ball at that pace.

[Lotto]

Originally posted by Danvrapp
I worked a quadruple overtime game last year. JV started at 6:00, varsity crew took the floor at 8:45.

Does this mean you bought the varsity crew 4 beers each?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Lotto

Does this mean you bought the varsity crew 4 beers each?

How could they when the bars closed before the V game ended?

I haven't had an overtime game in 2 seasons. Now that I've written that, let's see how long it takes for it to happen. I love games that end up going overtime. At least they're close and someone has a shot to win at the end, which beats a 40-point blowout any day of the week.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Danvrapp
I worked a quadruple overtime game last year. JV started at 6:00, varsity crew took the floor at 8:45.

Needless to say, my partner and I didn't make many friends that evening!

I did a Varsity boys regional once- about 25 years ago- that went 7 overtimes. Might have been the most enjoyable game that I ever did.

[RefRx]

NF allows for the non-varsity games to be shortened by consent of the coaches and I have had that happen to enable the Varsity to start on time. A lot of the Frosh/JV games seem to take forever and the skill level of play dictates a lot of that. But as officials we also tend to drag the game out, as the comment above mentioned, by WALKING to report, to shoot a foul, to talk to a partner instead of hustling. If we hustle, the kids will hustle. (But they still seem to last forever)

[Jay R]

I have never had a game go longer than one overtime thankfully. Although as you know, some regular games drag on forever.

This summer, I umpired a playoff game that lasted 18 innings. We started at 2:00 and got off the field at 7:15. I made 35 dollars and my wife was pissed for two days.

[Larks]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I did a Varsity boys regional once- about 25 years ago- that went 7 overtimes. Might have been the most enjoyable game that I ever did.

Call any force outs?