Odd ball plays! - Page 4

JeffTheRef · #46 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 01:18am

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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For two consecutive years, we discussed this play. The size of the threads were easily the largest ever to grace this board, until last week. If the damn search engine worked, you could look it up. We discussed it to the point that the NFHS revised 9-2-2 last year.

In our discussions, we had several different opinions as to how to handle it. Quite frankly, there was no rulebook asnwer. Among some of the suggested rulings:

1- Whistle and make them inbound it properly.
2- Begin the five second count.
3- Give a delay of game warning.
4- Call a violation.

The NFHS issued 9.2.2C that states a violation should be called if A begins to advance the ball up the floor and is obviously not going to conduct a proper throw-in.

9.2.2C
9.2.2 SITUATION C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1 grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate, who scores a basket.

RULING: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1 must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jan 7th, 2004 at 12:35 AM]

I think the key here is that in the case play, B1 initially makes a move towards the endline. In your example, she did not and may have not even been aware that the ball went in the basket. In your case, I think I would allow a restart.

The rules won't allow you to have a re-start. It's a violatio. It's that simple.

audiences only?

just another ref · #47 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 01:19am

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...I can also see the validity in the argument that the player didn't know that the ball had gone through the hoop. I would be tempted to blow it dead and make them inbound it.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. If the player thinks the ball did go in when it didn't and steps out with it, what then?

ChuckElias · #48 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 09:12am

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Maybe I should have just ripped his arm off & beat him with the wet end, eh JR?

If you're in a good mood.

But if you're in a bad mood, ........(please don't make me say it. I'm trying to be good today). [/B]

Hey, just go outside for a nice long walk, you'll feel better.]/B][/QUOTE]
Just don't trip over any robins. . .

rainmaker · #49 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 12:15pm

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Originally posted by JeffTheRef
The rules won't allow you to have a re-start. It's a violatio. It's that simple.

Violatio? Isn't that for mature basketball audiences only? [/B][/QUOTE]

Good one, Jeff!!

mcdanrd · #50 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 02:02pm

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Girls game:
A1 hits a basket.
Ball goes through the net and bounces toward the FT line.
B1 grabs the ball and starts up the floor.
I know what to do.
Tweet!

Hmmm. I have a question on mechanics now. Let's say the ball bounces beyond the free throw line before B1 grabs it and starts dribbling. Where do you put the ball in play for A? Endline or sideline? I'm thinking sideling based on where the violation occurred, similar to a backcourt violation where it doesn't get touched til it nears the endline.

Adam

I wouldn't call a violation here. I would blow my whistle to stop the player and tell him/her it needs to be taken out on the baseline.

BktBallRef · #51 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 02:11pm

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Originally posted by mcdanrd

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Originally posted by Snaqwells

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Originally posted by BktBallRef

Girls game:
A1 hits a basket.
Ball goes through the net and bounces toward the FT line.
B1 grabs the ball and starts up the floor.
I know what to do.
Tweet!

Hmmm. I have a question on mechanics now. Let's say the ball bounces beyond the free throw line before B1 grabs it and starts dribbling. Where do you put the ball in play for A? Endline or sideline? I'm thinking sideling based on where the violation occurred, similar to a backcourt violation where it doesn't get touched til it nears the endline.

Adam

I wouldn't call a violation here. I would blow my whistle to stop the player and tell him/her it needs to be taken out on the baseline.

You can call what you like but the rule and case play say it's a violation.

gsf23 · #52 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 08, 2004, 04:55pm

We had this play pulled on our JV in the second game of the year. Since then the last thing we say out of every huddle is "which way are we going" JV and Varsity.

Mark Dexter · #53 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2004, 12:34am

Speaking of the reverse direction - little kid's rec ball, my brother is on the team, and this was the first game I've watched in person as a spectator in waaaay too long.

First game of the season, so of course the teams are lined up wrong coming out of the half. L is in the proper position. My brother inbounds the ball, and he and A2 look at each other kinda funny. I yell for them to just go to the basket, but before they could, the L blew his whistle and had the B defense come down to the proper side of the court.

Ya know, I thought they were good refs right up until that point.

#54 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2004, 11:17pm

Dan,

I'm confused where in my orginial post I was rude or insulting to you in anyway. I simply stated what I felt and in return you become insulting and defensive. Did I strike a nerve with you Dan or are you always like this? As an educator I felt what you did is inappropriate and uncalled for. It is my opinion and your not open minded enough to hear a different opinion. I feel that is sad. I wonder what your response would be if a coach "shared a joke" with you about a call you kicked. Somehow I'm thinking that you would not be laughing, because how dare anyone question the mighty official. I feel it is people like you that give officials a bad name. There are great officials out there that realize the game is not about them at all, no one is there to see them and the best game they call is when no one in the gym notices them. If you read this I'm looking forward to your response, more insults I'm going to assume or derogatory comments about women? I must ask you what you would have done if when you made your "joke" the player told you to go to hell? Are you going to T him? Because you baited him with your "joke" As always looking forward to seeing you respond in a professional manner.

Dan_ref · #55 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2004, 11:34pm

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Originally posted by BBallCoach
Dan,

I'm confused where in my orginial post I was rude or insulting to you in anyway. I simply stated what I felt and in return you become insulting and defensive. Did I strike a nerve with you Dan or are you always like this? As an educator I felt what you did is inappropriate and uncalled for. It is my opinion and your not open minded enough to hear a different opinion. I feel that is sad. I wonder what your response would be if a coach "shared a joke" with you about a call you kicked. Somehow I'm thinking that you would not be laughing, because how dare anyone question the mighty official. I feel it is people like you that give officials a bad name. There are great officials out there that realize the game is not about them at all, no one is there to see them and the best game they call is when no one in the gym notices them. If you read this I'm looking forward to your response, more insults I'm going to assume or derogatory comments about women? I must ask you what you would have done if when you made your "joke" the player told you to go to hell? Are you going to T him? Because you baited him with your "joke" As always looking forward to seeing you respond in a professional manner.

Hey coach, I promised you and myself that I would ignore you. I swear, I will after this.

Go f*ck yourself.

#56 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 09, 2004, 11:48pm

Dan,

I'm confused and concerned why you can not see someone else's point and are set on using expletives in your post. Why should anyone respect you when you handle yourself like this?

BktBallRef · #57 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 10, 2004, 12:01am

It's surprising that a message from an educator would have so many run-on sentences and misspelled words, and have such poor punctuation. Of course, that's just my opinion. I'm sure you'll be able to see someone else's point.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Jan 10th, 2004 at 12:02 AM]

#58 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 10, 2004, 12:05am

When you behave like this, how can you question the way you are treated by coaches, players and fans. I was not looking for any trouble just giving my opinion and I have been verbally attacked from the beginning. Would someone please respectfully tell me what I did that was so insluting to this board? I'm sure there are some respectful officials out there. I do not mean to group all of you into the same group as Dan and Basketball Offical.

My apologies grammar is not my strong point, probably the reason I'm not an English teacher. But hmm I have a weakness and I'm man enough to admit it, wow that is a radical concept for this board.

BktBallRef · #59 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 10, 2004, 12:32am

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Originally posted by BBallCoach
I was not looking for any trouble just giving my opinion.

You've posted about this situation over and over during the past 2 days. You've been a member here less than a week and you've posted 12 times. Half of those posts have been regarding Dan's post. You write an insulting post to Dan, yet you've done nothing wrong.

If that isn't looking for trouble, I don't know what is.

Many of us have been on this board for years. We have contact with each other outside this board. It's a community. This is an officiating discussion board, which means the majority of the posters are officials. There are many coaches here and we have a good repoire with them. They have our respect and we have theirs'. But who are you? We don't know you. You simply show up and start insulting a senior member of this board, one who was here when there weren't 20 of us. You're like the new guy that just moved into town and is already starting trouble. You're damn right people are going to fire back.

Yes, we have heated discussions and we even get ill with each other from time to time. I've had more heated discussions with Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. and J.Rutledge than I care to remember. But they've been here, they've offered tremendous amounts of information, knowledge and experience and I respect that. And, they didn't start insulting people and popping off the first week they were here. Everyone respects that.

So, you can put this behind you, start over, get to know people, earn a little respect, gain a little respect for others, or move on. It makes no difference to me. And I don't think it matters to anyone else either.

JRutledge · #60 (**permalink**) Sat Jan 10, 2004, 02:07am

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Originally posted by BBallCoach
When you behave like this, how can you question the way you are treated by coaches, players and fans. I was not looking for any trouble just giving my opinion and I have been verbally attacked from the beginning. Would someone please respectfully tell me what I did that was so insluting to this board? I'm sure there are some respectful officials out there. I do not mean to group all of you into the same group as Dan and Basketball Offical.

The way you are going about this is really silly. You have made an issue out of something you do not understand and will never understand. Because what Dan might have said to this player was in many of our eyes as rather funny. There are many out there that have fun when we are officiating. We can be sarcastic at times, we can be firm at times, and we can be just plain funny. Considering all the times we get insulted, our integrity questioned and personal comment thrown at us for how much hair we do not have on our heads, to how much we might weigh. And Dan makes a comment and does not curse the kid or call him names and you want him to apologize?

I do not always see eye to eye with Dan on many things, but if this is what you get upset over, I wonder what really makes you mad. Because Dan does not live around your or officiate your games. So really, get over it. If you did not like it, chalk it up as experience and move on. You have not earned the right to run your mouth towards anyone here. Especially the fact that you have not put in the time and effort in this board that many have. Tony is right one there. There are certain things that you cannot say and we will all just agree with you. Dan is one of the top posters here, and has been here for as long as I can remember. And that was much longer than the membership indicates. Just move on and find something else to get upset over, PLEASE!!!!

Peace