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Old Tue Jan 06, 2004, 09:19am
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The monitor is good...
It is...and as NCAA officials, aren't we glad we don't have to worry about our skill to make this call anymore?
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2004, 09:25am
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At least there's no instant replay.


Yet.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2004, 09:36am
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At least there's no instant replay.


Yet.
There is instant replay. There was in this game on the final shot. It is required within situations on last second shots of each half or overtime period. Officials can use video on whether a shot is a 2 or a 3. Officials can use the video for timing issues.

Sounds like instant replay to me.

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Old Tue Jan 06, 2004, 09:39am
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I guess I was thinking more along the lines of NFL. You know - can you picture a certain coach throwing his 'red flag' when he things his player had legal guarding position?
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2004, 09:51am
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I guess I was thinking more along the lines of NFL. You know - can you picture a certain coach throwing his 'red flag' when he things his player had legal guarding position?
You cannot review penalties in the NFL. Basketball is no different. You cannot review fouls and violations.

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Indy, if I'm a coach making $1M+ and then endorsement/media/speech money on top of that I'm not so sure I would want the likes of Chuck ruining my career on a game deciding bad call. The monitor is good, there's enough "human element" left for us to discuss after the game, IMO. [/B]
If you're that good a coach, one call isn't going to ruin a career. Even if you, say, lose on three of these "bad calls" over a few years, it's not going to affect your career.
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If you're that good a coach, one call isn't going to ruin a career. Even if you, say, lose on three of these "bad calls" over a few years, it's not going to affect your career.
If you do not make the NCAA Tournament you might. Ask the former coach from North Carolina. A couple breaks his way, he still has a job.

Hell, if I made $150,000, I would not want to lose my job over one bad or unfortunate call. That still is a lot of money.

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I don't think his job gets saved with a couple of breaks. His hire was largely seen as a mistake, and they were only looking for a reason to get rid of him. He wasn't that good a coach for UNC, and he can't blame a few bad breaks for losing his job.
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Indy, if I'm a coach making $1M+ and then endorsement/media/speech money on top of that I'm not so sure I would want the likes of Chuck ruining my career on a game deciding bad call. The monitor is good, there's enough "human element" left for us to discuss after the game, IMO.
If you're that good a coach, one call isn't going to ruin a career. Even if you, say, lose on three of these "bad calls" over a few years, it's not going to affect your career. [/B]
Lessee now...bad call causes me to not get into NCAA tourney, or sweet 16, or whatever. Maybe I lose $$$ because I now can't meet a contract incentive. Maybe a kid I was recruiting stops taking my calls now. Maybe I pissed off a "booster" last season and he wants to use this loss as an excuse to get rid of me, or at least make my life miserable. Maybe I can find another job, but maybe my family and I like it in Kentucky and we dread going to Iowa....maybe we should just use the tools available to get the call right...
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OT, A1 lay up at the buzzer, replay shows ball in A1's hand at 0:00 then ball released then red light goes on.

Give A 2 pts, Texas wins.

clearly OUT of the shooter's hand when the red light goes on. You can bet your house on it.
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Old Wed Jan 07, 2004, 11:13am
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I don't believe the Providence coach for one second! No way
those officials would say that BEFORE they ruled it good/no
good and left the court.

Why would you say,"It was late coach,we're not going to count it," if you were not ruling on it right then and there?
This part of the story has actually had me wondering. Haven't gotten this year's NCAA book yet, but I thought that a decision had to be made before going to the monitor - that way, if there's no conclusive evidence either way, you stick with the original call (similar to the NFL replay system).

Have the guidelines changed to allow the officials to just go straight to the monitor?
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Old Wed Jan 07, 2004, 11:16am
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It is...and as NCAA officials, aren't we glad we don't have to worry about our skill to make this call anymore?

Just remember - there are many many more games each year that are not televised than that are televised.
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Have the guidelines changed to allow the officials to just go straight to the monitor?
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Forget the light, the clock, and that Tim Higgins is in the middle of the mess again, but what kind of defense was Providence playing? none. I really don't like the way Mr. ESPN counted the basket. Yes it was correct, but he had to show that he was the man and incited the crowd more than it needed to be. He could have let Barnes know to get his players off the court and then made his signal. Correct call? Yes, Fraud, yes!
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Forget the light, the clock, and that Tim Higgins is in the middle of the mess again, but what kind of defense was Providence playing? none. I really don't like the way Mr. ESPN counted the basket. Yes it was correct, but he had to show that he was the man and incited the crowd more than it needed to be. He could have let Barnes know to get his players off the court and then made his signal. Correct call? Yes, Fraud, yes!
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