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LepTalBldgs Mon Jan 05, 2004 05:35pm
For those of us doing FED
 
The game I was watching which brought up this question was college, but it was local and not televised.

I am still searching for how to apply this situation to High School rules.

Situation: Action under the boards, offensive player falls to floor and defensive player secures rebound and trips over player on the floor causing ball to come loose.

Does player on the floor have a legal guarding position or is this a block?

BktBallRef Mon Jan 05, 2004 05:40pm
Re: For those of us doing FED
 
Quote:
Originally posted by LepTalBldgs
I am still searching for how to apply this situation to High School rules.

Situation: Action under the boards, offensive player falls to floor and defensive player secures rebound and trips over player on the floor causing ball to come loose.

Does player on the floor have a legal guarding position or is this a block?
Don't be misled by the NCAA intepretation. The replies that Jurassic Ref and I gave you are correct for NF. This is not a foul, and LGP has nothing to do with the play.

10.6.1E
B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor.

RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down.

Your play is no different.

ChuckElias Mon Jan 05, 2004 09:43pm
Good case cite, Tony. You're about to hit a milestone!

Woodee Mon Jan 05, 2004 09:53pm
Re: Re: For those of us doing FED
 
Quote:
Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:
Originally posted by LepTalBldgs
I am still searching for how to apply this situation to High School rules.

Situation: Action under the boards, offensive player falls to floor and defensive player secures rebound and trips over player on the floor causing ball to come loose.

Does player on the floor have a legal guarding position or is this a block?
Don't be misled by the NCAA intepretation. The replies that Jurassic Ref and I gave you are correct for NF. This is not a foul, and LGP has nothing to do with the play.

10.6.1E
B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor.

RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down.

Your play is no different.
My association had a general meeting last night and it was re-emphasized, "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW"!! Please assist? Response: Do what they instruct you to do.

Dan_ref Mon Jan 05, 2004 09:57pm
Re: Re: Re: For those of us doing FED
 
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Originally posted by Woodee
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by LepTalBldgs
I am still searching for how to apply this situation to High School rules.

Situation: Action under the boards, offensive player falls to floor and defensive player secures rebound and trips over player on the floor causing ball to come loose.

Does player on the floor have a legal guarding position or is this a block?
Don't be misled by the NCAA intepretation. The replies that Jurassic Ref and I gave you are correct for NF. This is not a foul, and LGP has nothing to do with the play.

10.6.1E
B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor.

RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down.

Your play is no different.
My association had a general meeting last night and it was re-emphasized, "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW"!! Please assist? Response: Do what they instruct you to do.
I betcha the play we are discussing is not at all what they are talking about.

Woodee Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:05pm
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Woodee
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by LepTalBldgs
I am still searching for how to apply this situation to High School rules.

Situation: Action under the boards, offensive player falls to floor and defensive player secures rebound and trips over player on the floor causing ball to come loose.

Does player on the floor have a legal guarding position or is this a block?
Don't be misled by the NCAA intepretation. The replies that Jurassic Ref and I gave you are correct for NF. This is not a foul, and LGP has nothing to do with the play.

10.6.1E
B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor.

RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down.

Your play is no different.
My association had a general meeting last night and it was re-emphasized, "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW"!! Please assist? Response: Do what they instruct you to do.
I betcha the play we are discussing is not at all what they are talking about.
I can't be more specific: "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW". This sitch is a good example that this is not true, however we are instructed this way. I LOVE officiating.

Dan_ref Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:15pm
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Originally posted by Woodee
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by Woodee
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
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Originally posted by LepTalBldgs
I am still searching for how to apply this situation to High School rules.

Situation: Action under the boards, offensive player falls to floor and defensive player secures rebound and trips over player on the floor causing ball to come loose.

Does player on the floor have a legal guarding position or is this a block?
Don't be misled by the NCAA intepretation. The replies that Jurassic Ref and I gave you are correct for NF. This is not a foul, and LGP has nothing to do with the play.

10.6.1E
B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor.

RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down.

Your play is no different.
My association had a general meeting last night and it was re-emphasized, "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW"!! Please assist? Response: Do what they instruct you to do.
I betcha the play we are discussing is not at all what they are talking about.
I can't be more specific: "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW". This sitch is a good example that this is not true, however we are instructed this way. I LOVE officiating.
I can't be more certain: your interpreter does NOT want you whistling a foul simply because B1 falls down. The play we are discussing is A1 trips over B1 who happens to be on the floor. Night & day.

BktBallRef Mon Jan 05, 2004 10:17pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by Woodee
My association had a general meeting last night and it was re-emphasized, "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW"!! Please assist? Response: Do what they instruct you to do.
I got no problem with that, Woodee.

If the player on the floor extends an arm or leg into A1's path, I have a foul.

If A1 simply trips over B1 who is on the floor and falls to the floor, I've got traveling.

A whistle in each play. ;)

Bart Tyson Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:54am
Woodee, the phrase " bodies on floor, we need to have a whistle" is when we have a crash involving the ball.

Woodee Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:17pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For those of us doing FED
 
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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:
Originally posted by Woodee
My association had a general meeting last night and it was re-emphasized, "BODIES HIT THE FLOOR, A WHISTLE SHOULD FOLLOW"!! Please assist? Response: Do what they instruct you to do.
I got no problem with that, Woodee.

If the player on the floor extends an arm or leg into A1's path, I have a foul.

If A1 simply trips over B1 who is on the floor and falls to the floor, I've got traveling.

A whistle in each play. ;)
I agree, however the sitch that began this discussion NO WHISTLE followed, not what we are taught.

Guys, I agree with your points, I was letting you know the differences.

BktBallRef Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:31pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by Woodee
I agree, however the sitch that began this discussion NO WHISTLE followed, not what we are taught.
That's because "he trips and loses the ball."
If he had not lost the ball, traveling.
Since he lost the ball, it's nothing.
No whistle. :)

Mark Dexter Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:04am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For those of us doing FED
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Woodee

I agree, however the sitch that began this discussion NO WHISTLE followed, not what we are taught.

Guys, I agree with your points, I was letting you know the differences.

What we've been taught is nowhere in the rule book.

Per rule - incidental contact is all around.
Per philosophy (especially at higher levels) - athletes rarely slip on the floor and go to ground, especially when defensive players are around.

It's up to you which way to call it.


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