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Saw a game today and had this question.
If there is rebounding action and the offensive player falls to the floor trying to get a rebound but a defensive player grabs the rebound, what do you have if the ball handler trips over the player lying on the floor and loses the ball? Is your answer different if the player is just lying there versus actively trying to get up? Sorry if this has been discussed before but I don't remember this being addressed in the case books. |
As long as the player doesn't extend his arms or legs into the path of the rebounder, he's entitled to his spot on the floor.
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Second part depends on "how actively". mick |
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I didn't say he had LGP. But he's entitled to his spot, if he got there without illegally contacting an opponent. Now, if he raises, moves or sticks his leg out in the rebounders's path and creates contact, he's fouled.
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The rules agree with Tony too. See casebook play 10-6-1SitE-- <i>"No infraction or foul has occured and play continues. Unless B1 has made an attempt to trip or block A1 , he/she is entitled to a position on the court <b>even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down</b>"</i>. |
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http://www.ncaa.com/champadmin/baske...10bulletin.pdf It's kinda long but jump to page 8, play #3: . BR-72, Rule 4-33, Guarding. B1 slips to the floor in the free-throw lane. A1 (with his or her back to prone B1) receives a pass, turns and, in his or her attempt to drive to the basket, trips and falls over B1. RULING: Foul on B1, who has taken an illegal defensive position (NCAA memorandum January 23, 1996, page 3). |
Darn, Dan beat me to it. Tweet! Block.
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- where in the case play posted here does it say "B1 was under the basket"? |
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LGP only gives the defender added protection when contact happens. It is not the be all/end all in a block, charge situation. |
Darn it! Dan beat me to it again. The play is specifically addressed in Hank Nichols' first bulletin of the season. Dan already pasted the whole case play, but I'll do it again.
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The game I was watching which brought up this question was college, but it was local and not televised.
I am still searching for how to apply this situation to High School rules. Situation: Action under the boards, offensive player falls to floor and defensive player secures rebound and trips over player on the floor causing ball to come loose. Does player on the floor have a legal guarding position or is this a block? |
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10.6.1E B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor. RULING: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down. Your play is no different. |
Good case cite, Tony. You're about to hit a milestone!
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If the player on the floor extends an arm or leg into A1's path, I have a foul. If A1 simply trips over B1 who is on the floor and falls to the floor, I've got traveling. A whistle in each play. ;) |
Woodee, the phrase " bodies on floor, we need to have a whistle" is when we have a crash involving the ball.
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Guys, I agree with your points, I was letting you know the differences. |
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If he had not lost the ball, traveling. Since he lost the ball, it's nothing. No whistle. :) |
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What we've been taught is nowhere in the rule book. Per rule - incidental contact is all around. Per philosophy (especially at higher levels) - athletes rarely slip on the floor and go to ground, especially when defensive players are around. It's up to you which way to call it. |
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