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ref18 Fri Jan 02, 2004 02:33pm
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Originally posted by ace

I like the NCAAs player control.(but I do use the fed signal) I use 75-85% of the prescribed Fed Mechanics(i'm trying to move up and you never know whos watching :-D - Besides i paid 150 bucks to goto camp to make my mechanics look good - might as well use 'em)... we dont always switch on fouls but definitly on shootfouls. But yeah - its the little things that I find make me feel more natural out on the court. I just hope we goto grey shirts soon... However I just got in my order of a new striped shirt :-/ I can still use it.
When i've been evaluated, the evaluators always make a point of only using the perscribed mechanics for a certain level of ball. In my area, i don't think its possible to move up if not using proper mechanics.

IMHO, i think that the grey shirts are not a good idea. Stick with the stripes.

JRutledge Fri Jan 02, 2004 03:10pm
They have if you really think about it.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ref18


When i've been evaluated, the evaluators always make a point of only using the perscribed mechanics for a certain level of ball. In my area, i don't think its possible to move up if not using proper mechanics.
I have yet to meet and official that works with 100% NF Mechanics during HS games. I do not know a single official that did not use the "kick" mechanic before this year when they had the violation. I bet if you thought about it, not many of us ever birddogged during a PC Foul call. And most of those officials are doing much more important games than at least I have seen in my career.

Peace

Mark Dexter Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:07am
For 3-person, I like the NCAA women's mechanic (and I've seen it sneaking into men's occasionally) of the trail mirroring the lead's chopping in the clock.

ref18 Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:11am
I think the NCAA Womens officials have great mechanics in regards to starting the clock. I really like the chop with the same are you count with, and the trail mirroring the leads chop. They're great mechanics i hope to see moved into more levels of basketball.

JRutledge Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:28am
Lead does not chop.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ref18
I think the NCAA Womens officials have great mechanics in regards to starting the clock. I really like the chop with the same are you count with, and the trail mirroring the leads chop. They're great mechanics i hope to see moved into more levels of basketball.
The Women's mechanic is not a mirror of the chop by the Trail, the Trail is the only official that chops, if the ball is in the halfcourt set. And at the NCAA level, at least the D1 level, they use the Precision Time System. So the Lead does not need to chop. They are starting the clock on their hip. Actually, the same thing the NBA does.

Peace

BktBallRef Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:28am
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Originally posted by ace
I've been using the spread arms for closely guarded. I was using it before I realized it was an actual mechanic. "How come I'cant get my 5 sec count?" I just spread my arms out and BAM! everyone got it.... Amazing I say.
It's not a mechanic, at least not an NFHS mechanic. If you're trying to move up, you're better off staying away from NCAA mechanics, unless the people you work for tell you to use them. Experienced officials can get away with it. For officials who are trying to move up, it can be perceived as sloppy.

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I like 2 man mechanics i think 30 sec timeouts should be at the circles (one on each side ) and 60 seconds at the top of the 3 pt arc or top of the key. Going down to the blocks is STUPID. Its like somone copied a 3-person manual and forgot to change that one section.
No, it's not stupid. You go to the top of the key on 30 second time-outs because the cheerleaders are not allowed on the floor for a 30. You go to the blocks on 60 second time-outs because the cheerleaders are allowed on the floor.

BktBallRef Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:30am
Re: Lead does not chop.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:
Originally posted by ref18
I think the NCAA Womens officials have great mechanics in regards to starting the clock. I really like the chop with the same are you count with, and the trail mirroring the leads chop. They're great mechanics i hope to see moved into more levels of basketball.
The Women's mechanic is not a mirror of the chop by the Trail, the Trail is the only official that chops, if the ball is in the halfcourt set. And at the NCAA level, at least the D1 level, they use the Precision Time System. So the Lead does not need to chop. They are starting the clock on their hip. Actually, the same thing the NBA does.
NBA officials still chop, even though they use PT. As someone said, they count and chop with the same hand.

Rich Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:43am
Re: Lead does not chop.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:
Originally posted by ref18
I think the NCAA Womens officials have great mechanics in regards to starting the clock. I really like the chop with the same are you count with, and the trail mirroring the leads chop. They're great mechanics i hope to see moved into more levels of basketball.
The Women's mechanic is not a mirror of the chop by the Trail, the Trail is the only official that chops, if the ball is in the halfcourt set. And at the NCAA level, at least the D1 level, they use the Precision Time System. So the Lead does not need to chop. They are starting the clock on their hip. Actually, the same thing the NBA does.

Peace
The lead chops with the counting hand. Two finger count above the head with a chop down on the touch on court. Unless they changed it since I went to camp last summer.

JRutledge Sat Jan 03, 2004 01:00am
Re: Re: Lead does not chop.
 
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Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser


The lead chops with the counting hand. Two finger count above the head with a chop down on the touch on court. Unless they changed it since I went to camp last summer.
Accepted or actual CCA Mechanic? Because I have never seen a mechanic that allows the count and chop to be done that way. But I could be wrong, I am just saying there are things done because it is accepted by certain people, but not by the CCA Manual.

Peace

Rich Sat Jan 03, 2004 01:31am
I'll have to dig out my CCA Women's Manual, but it's in the basement as I have no need for it this season.

Camron Rust Sat Jan 03, 2004 06:41pm
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Originally posted by BK
I have two...

First, I use the spread arms to signify that the defensive player is not close enough for me to count closley guarded.

Second, I think that HS needs the Lead covering "on ball" in the strong side corner. If he has responsibility for OOB outside the arch, but has a strong post matchup, he has to choose to leave one or the other...there is no way to officiate post players and see a kid step on the baseline outside the 3-pt line.
When the ball is in lead's corner (2-man), the post becomes the trails responsibility. I expect my partner to cover the post.

Camron Rust Sat Jan 03, 2004 06:44pm
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Originally posted by Mike Burns
Chuck,
I agree that in 2-man we need to go wide and cover the area outside the 3-point line. When the ball moves to the corner I will usually go 3-5' off the endline and widen out to the 3-point line or just a step beyond so that I can look outside-in a little more.

The play that BK is suggesting has to do with the 3-man mechanics. I think in 3-man the mechanic becomes a little more difficult for L because the play would be out of L's primary, but isn't L is still responsible for the entire endline OOB? If so, then I can see BKs point. While L strong side, I'm concentrating on the post matchup because that is my primary. What happens when the player in the corner steps on the endline? As I understand the mechanic, L is not supposed to go that wide on 3-man.
There are many times (both in 2-man and 3-man) when the ball comes from an area out of your primary and goes OOB on your line. This is no different.

You have to get a postion to cover both your lines and your primary.

davidw Sat Jan 03, 2004 07:10pm
Not necessarily my most wished for, but I think the following two changes would be better for us as officials:

1) Change the block signal from open hands on hip to closed fists. We see it improperly used by many at the high school level and below--I think because its appears stronger so many like to use it instead of the approved signal. I think it has a more authoritative look to it. I sometimes feel like I'm getting ready to bow or curtsy after using the current signal.:D

2) Change the illegal use of hands signal from the open faced hand to the closed fist chop on the other arm. See above--same reason.

How many of you remember the old travelling signal with open hands instead of the closed fists we have today?

[Edited by davidw on Jan 4th, 2004 at 10:22 PM]

Mike Burns Sat Jan 03, 2004 07:40pm
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Originally posted by Camron Rust
When the ball is in lead's corner (2-man), the post becomes the trails responsibility. I expect my partner to cover the post. [/B]
Good point! I'll have to remember to add this to my 2-man pregame.

bob jenkins Sun Jan 04, 2004 06:25pm
Re: Re: Re: Lead does not chop.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by JRutledge
Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser


The lead chops with the counting hand. Two finger count above the head with a chop down on the touch on court. Unless they changed it since I went to camp last summer.
Accepted or actual CCA Mechanic? Because I have never seen a mechanic that allows the count and chop to be done that way. But I could be wrong, I am just saying there are things done because it is accepted by certain people, but not by the CCA Manual.

Peace
It's the actual mechanic.


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