touching ball after save

[Bart Tyson]

BBR, I don't think this is double dribble. She never had control until she comes back inbounds.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
BBR, I don't think this is double dribble. She never had control until she comes back inbounds.

He asked "could" it be a double dribble. It wouldn't automatically be a double dribble but yes, it could be. The official would have to make a judgment, whether the player controlled the ball or not.

[Bart Tyson]

BBR, if she controled the ball before touching oob, then starts the dribble by throwing the ball inbounds, then why wouldn't it be a violation when she touches the ball inbounds? I just don't see this as a start of a dribble.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
BBR, if she controled the ball before touching oob, then starts the dribble by throwing the ball inbounds, then why wouldn't it be a violation when she touches the ball inbounds?

Because it's an interrupted dribble. There is no player control during an interrupted dribble, so stepping OOB is not a violation.

[Mregor]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Actually, that's a myth too, at least under NFHS football rules.

There's no rule that says a player can't be the first player to touch a ball after coming from OOB. In fact, a football player does not even have to touch inbounds to be considered inbounds. If he's not touching OOB, he's inbounds. "You are where you were until you get where you're going" does not apply.

Let me re-phrase that. Someone is watching too much football on Sundays. I too officiate football (wing) and have to hear coaches complaints about he was OOB and first to touch.

Mregor

[Bart Tyson]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Because it's an interrupted dribble. There is no player control during an interrupted dribble, so stepping OOB is not a violation.

Start a dribble, then you say its an interupted drible. You can't have control, start dribble and say the start is interupted. If she gain control, starts the dribble then your are saying she knew what she was doing with the ball.

Now I'm assuming she was not dribbling prior to saving the ball.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson

Start a dribble, then you say its an interupted drible. You can't have control, start dribble and say the start is interupted. If she gain control, starts the dribble then your are saying she knew what she was doing with the ball.

Now I'm assuming she was not dribbling prior to saving the ball.

Bart, what he's saying is that the save COULD be the start of a dribble. If the player just sort of bats at it, and it happens to go back inbounds, it's probably not. But if there's enough contact for enough time that it could be called control is would be considered the beginning of a dribble. Player now has dribble interrupted by the fact that she is falling OOB, so she doesn't touch the ball again until she is re-established inbounds. She may then continue a dribble, or catch and pass or shoot, but she can't catch and then dribble.

[Bart Tyson]

OK, I know what you are saying. I guessssss one could rule this play the wey you described it.

[Rich]

Originally posted by Mregor

Let me re-phrase that. Someone is watching too much football on Sundays. I too officiate football (wing) and have to hear coaches complaints about he was OOB and first to touch.

Mregor

That'll teach you to work in the middle of the field

Rich

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

That'll teach you to work in the middle of the field

Rich

The middle of the field is reserved for the guy with the pocket full of minature Snickers.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
OK, I know what you are saying. I guessssss one could rule this play the wey you described it.

Thank you, rainmaker. I wasn't getting through.

[Bart Tyson]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Thank you, rainmaker. I wasn't getting through.

No, you were getting through, I'm just don't like getting close to the light side.

[Ron Pilo]

Ron,
I really hate when "Experienced" officials make calls like this. The same when a player who doesn't have control of the ball gets called for traveling. I think we should cover this at our next meeting.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson
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I'm just don't like getting close to the light side.
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[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Ron Pilo
Ron,
I really hate when "Experienced" officials make calls like this. The same when a player who doesn't have control of the ball gets called for traveling. I think we should cover this at our next meeting.

This brings a new idea to mind -- maybe we should start a thread on things our experienced and veteran partners have done that were wrong. It would help the assignors and rules interpreters who read this board to see what needs work. Jurassic for one, needs to spend more time training his underlings, and less time cruising the internet for trashy graphics. Sheez, this last one is just plain... nevermind.