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Sorry, I forgot to mention that parter's determination was that coach A had requested the timeout prior to A1 shooting. The whistle blew as the ball was getting to B1's hands.
I see three options after the whistle blew. 1) the option we went with, determine the TO was requested before the shot. 2) Inadvertent whistle, TO for A, B ball. 3) Inadvertent whistle during the shot, TO for A, AP for ball. 
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I made contact with a player while stepping between two players who I thought were about to go at it. In the process I totally forgot that I signaled intentional foul when I first blew my whislte (which was correct). I'm very lucky the player didnt cold clock me... As I blew the whistle I closed down hard. A1 was yaking and B1 turned around suddenly and said something... it was that point in time I got inbetween them and accidently bumped B1 with my chest which is an aggressive type of body language. I didnt intent to bump him but I did. I've never been in a situation where I felt like I had to step in between two players. I walked with B1 to the bench and told the coach he should probably sub him before B1 recieved a technical foul. It was a close game. Meanwhile... I go to finally report the foul and I totally forgot about the intentional call 1 and 1. A coach goes balistic. sayingYOU CALLED AN INTENTIONAL! So I asked my partner and he said with all the follwoing stuff that insued he forgot. So we gave them the one and one.
Things I learned: 1)If two players wanna go for it - let them do it and take numbers. 2)Only step inbetween players if they're more than 4 feet apart so you dont accidently bump a player 3)ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make mental note of the foul you signaled before you started trying to keep the game from tunring into a wrestling match. 4)Again, if two players wanna do something referee the fight and penalize accordingly. A cardinal sin, making contact with a player. It just totally took me out of my game because soon as I got him away from A1 I'm thinking oh crap I just became the aggressor! So thats my story...
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Tue Dec 23, 2003, 07:22pm
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 [Edited by Back In The Saddle on Dec 23rd, 2003 at 06:24 PM]
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Tue Dec 23, 2003, 09:07pm
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Ace -- freshman girls this afternoon. I arrived with 10 minutes to game time, partner arrived with 5. We did a quick pre-game, checked the book, talked to coaches, got a game ball. I walked out onto the floor and went into my pre-toss routine. "11, tuck your shirt. 33, foot out of the circle. Ready? Hold your spots! White (point right) Red (point left)" pause -- " @$%# " no whistle.
Ace, I only did it to make you feel better.
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Tue Dec 23, 2003, 11:19pm
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:laugh: Thanks Julie, You intentionaly forgot your whistle or posted the story? Either way thanks for the laugh. The incident isn't bothering me as much as my life (wait- Are we really allowed to have one of those? LOL) is now but when I think about it, im like , gee John that was stupid.
Thanks for the laugh Julie. Have a merry one.
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Wed Dec 24, 2003, 12:34am
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B didn't grab the rebound because there was no shot. All B did was jump up and catch a ball that bounced off the rim. Similarily, had the basket gone in, there was no basket and all A did was throw a dead ball through his basket. This is my understanding of the rule. If I missed something, someone please tell me. The calling official needs a (split-?)second to determine that (a) it was in fact the head coach that requested the timeout (and not an assistant or player) and (b) that team A player still had player control when the request was made
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Wed Dec 24, 2003, 08:45am
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hey Ace,
Thanks for the situation. Don't be too hard on yourself, I don't think what you did is one of the Cardinal sins. Player safety is first and foremost in our minds, and letting them hit each other in the mellon doesn't seem too safe to me  ...The worst thing I see from the whole post is that you forgot what you called, which given the situation is certainly understandable...Getting between the players kept them from getting together, I know you bumped him, but you were just stopping an escalating situation. Keep up the good work...
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Fri Dec 26, 2003, 12:07am
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If two players start fighting then I would say, yes, get the heck out of the way -- beckon the coaches and try to keep the other players away from each other (and the players on the bench ON the bench) However, if two players just want to get in each other's face, etc. I would step in between them. In fact, I've had to do this twice in the last couple of weeks. Of course, both times they were guards and I'm 6'5". And Ace, well, you're not
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I had two similiar games where in one, two officials that I really think a lot of ended up working with me a couple of years ago when my partner could not make it at the last minute. To rhis day I don't know why but I could not do anything right in that game, (I think I was trying to hard in retrospect). Then at a camp here two years ago I had a game where I could not get in sync and then the evaluator/teacher started getting on my case and I could not do anything right. I was consistent from beginning to end, TERRIBLE. Both games I just wanted to hide some where and never come back. I had a hard time bouncing back from those two games and remember that my confidence sure took a temporary hit.
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