What do you think is the dumbest rule?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by wizard

I'm not disagreeing with you. Just curious... Why?

It is my opinion that it is a rule whose time has passed. The motion offense that teams now use requires players to be moving not standing around like dead wood. Plus, I think that too many officials do not when to call it and when not to call it.

MTD, Sr.

[BK]

Don't you think that if the 3-seconds rule was not in place that motion offenses would change?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

It is my opinion that it is a rule whose time has passed. The motion offense that teams now use requires players to be moving not standing around like dead wood. Plus, I think that too many officials do not when to call it and when not to call it.

MTD, Sr.

I've seen teams with multiple 6'9" ers whos job it is to pretty much stand around like dead wood in or near the paint. Seems to me the 3 second rule at least keeps them from growing roots.

As for knowing when & when not to call it, that's a coaching problem, not a rules problem.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I'm sorry you're from Canada too.

HEY....that hurts

[Adam]

Here in Iowa, the girls use a coin toss to start the game. The year they made the switch, I was taking a break from officiating, so I never heard the rationale behind it. It strikes me as silly, especially at the high school level.

Adam

[KingTripleJump]

No one in my chapter is really fond of the "shirts have to be tucked in" rule. It takes so much time to tell every player on every dead ball to tuck their shirts in. It gets old.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by KingTripleJump
No one in my chapter is really fond of the "shirts have to be tucked in" rule. It takes so much time to tell every player on every dead ball to tuck their shirts in. It gets old.

Tell them once. Tell them twice. Third time, I need a sub. They'll keep it in if they want to play.

[KingTripleJump]

Well our chapter has come to the point where we don't even give them warnings. If it's not tucked in, and the pants pulled up to the waist, then they don't come in--no questions asked.

Every coach has agreed with this and, surprisingly, not b*tched about it.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally posted by Larks

Some think the toss is a bad idea and we should go to a coin toss and then use AP. Of course, then we'd all have to practice tossing a coin, catching it and determining if it's heads or tails. Way too tough.

[Edited by Larks on Dec 26th, 2003 at 12:02 AM]

Some of us will have an advantage: we're football refs as well.

But, just be sure you didn't accidentally exchange your regular coin with your party trick double sided coin.

[Snake~eyes]

That's true. But all you have to do is remember what the initial call was and which side is heads. And ya don't want to end up like NFL and have to paint the heads side red.

[JeffTheRef]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

I think this is just a violation now, although I saw it called as a T back in '91 (the only year I was a coach).

It is crucial that punching the ball be disallowed. Think about what might happen if, in the mele of rebounding, someone punched at the ball . . . and missed.

Along the same lines, while kicking at the ball is not forbidden, any other kicking is, including feigning kicking at the ball. If, in the official's judgment a kick is being used as a threat, it's a T.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by JeffTheRef
Along the same lines, while kicking at the ball is not forbidden, any other kicking is, including feigning kicking at the ball. If, in the official's judgment a kick is being used as a threat, it's a T.

I don't understand this. Could you repeat it in different words?

[JeffTheRef]

Originally posted by rainmaker

I don't understand this. Could you repeat it in different words?

The only legitimate kicking motion is an attempt to kick the ball. Every once in a while, some devilishly clever player will flash leg in the path of an opponent ('kick') for no purpose other than to divert the player from his or her path. It also happens sometimes when a player is on the floor. If the kick connects, we generally see it as a trip - but if it doesn't connect, and it has any effect, and perhaps even if it doesn't, it's a T, unsportsmanlike conduct. We need to discourage kicking . . . and punching.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by JeffTheRef
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We need to discourage kicking . . . and punching.
[/B][/QUOTE]The rules cover these acts very explicitly now. It's simply up to each official to use the existing rules.

Rule 4-18-1- " Fighting is a flagrant act and can occur when the ball is dead or live.Fighting includes, but is not limited to, such combative acts as an attempt to strike, punch or kick an opponent with a fist,hands,arms,legs or feet regardless of whether contact is made".

What more do you need than that, Jeff? Covers all the situations that you talked about, if you want to use it. Handle with care, though.

[ace]

What Chapter are you in KTJ?

I personally do not allow subs on my court if there shorts arent up and thier shirts arent in. Before the game I tell EVERYONE in or around the circle shirts in pants up. Try to keep it that way ladies (or gentlemen). You play better. And its not usually a problem. However when I tell a kid to tuck his shirt in and get his pants up and he rolls his eyes at me I'll tell him again. If he doesnt do it then he's gunna sub out. Im not the "shirt and short king" but ya know.. If i have to tuck my shirt in, so should they LOL.