coach leaves - Page 2

Hawks Coach · #16 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 19, 2003, 05:57pm

to understand the significance of a rule that zsome wish to enforce here. We have schools with limited athletic budgets. They try to give as many kids as possible some HS playing time. JV coach is varsity assistant coach - this is the most important job he has. These games really count.

Now we have this JV game. There is usually a reason that the JV head coach is the varsity assistant, and the JV assistant is the JV assistant with no varsity duties of significance. JV ead coach leaves, 9 times out of 10 that means his kids are getting a lower level coach. why do we punish them further by constraining that coach to a seatbelt because he can't be the "head coach." There is a reason to restrict who stands, but once again, the NFHS rulebook is not meant to be used in this manner to handle these kind of situations. Please allow a little judgment and common sense to come into play.

Who have you harmed, and in what specific way, if you allow the assistant to become the head coach and stand?

cropduster · #17 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 19, 2003, 08:35pm

Had a game last year where several of the kids had numbers above 55. Also had two sets of twos with same number. Jr high game so we just called out big number 24 or little 24. As you might guess, these kids couldn't sink a basket if paid but they sure new how to have fun, and we let them.

Barry

mplagrow · #18 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 19, 2003, 08:55pm

I want to go back to the situation where the head coach leaves, and you decide the assistant is still just an assistant coach. I'm ROTFL imagining some ref pointing out the door and facing an empty chair because of a head coach ejection in the coach's absence! Can you imagine being that coach and finding out you got ejected after you left?

BktBallRef · #19 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 19, 2003, 10:47pm

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
to understand the significance of a rule that zsome wish to enforce here. We have schools with limited athletic budgets. They try to give as many kids as possible some HS playing time. JV coach is varsity assistant coach - this is the most important job he has. These games really count.

I disagree. If he's the JV head coach and a JV game is being played, THAT is the most important job that he has. If he leaves in the middle of the second half, what is he telling these kids?

There's nothing happening at the varsity game that won't wait 20 more minutes.

rainmaker · #20 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 20, 2003, 12:26am

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
to understand the significance of a rule that zsome wish to enforce here. We have schools with limited athletic budgets. They try to give as many kids as possible some HS playing time. JV coach is varsity assistant coach - this is the most important job he has. These games really count.

If my daughter's JV coach left at half-time, leaving the freshman coach to finish the game, I'd be unhappy. If it's a JV game, why should we settle for a freshman coach?

None of that has anything to do with the rule. I don't have a rule book citation, but I know how we're told to do it here -- head coach is the only one who gets the box, and only one person is head coach. Period.

BktBallRef · #21 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 20, 2003, 01:09am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
If my daughter's JV coach left at half-time, leaving the freshman coach to finish the game, I'd be unhappy. If it's a JV game, why should we settle for a freshman coach?

None of that has anything to do with the rule. I don't have a rule book citation, but I know how we're told to do it here -- head coach is the only one who gets the box, and only one person is head coach. Period.

I believe we're in the same book, on the same page.

[Edited by BktBallRef on Dec 20th, 2003 at 12:40 AM]

ChuckElias · #22 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 20, 2003, 10:23am

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
why do we punish them further by constraining that coach to a seatbelt because he can't be the "head coach." There is a reason to restrict who stands, but once again, the NFHS rulebook is not meant to be used in this manner to handle these kind of situations.

Nobody's being punished, Coach. The rule is clear. It's 1-13-2 NOTE. It says explicitly who may use the box. And it's the head coach, period. If the head coach is gone, then nobody uses the box.

If the head coach says before the game, "My knee's pretty sore tonight, so I'm not going to be standing, but my assistant's going to use the box," that would not be allowed either. If you get some wiseguy who says the team has CO-head coaches, that wouldn't be allowed either. The coaching box is for one person per game, and that's the HEAD coach. Nobody's being punished in these situations. It's just the rule.

rainmaker · #23 (**permalink**) Sat Dec 20, 2003, 10:42am

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
JV coach is varsity assistant coach - this is the most important job he has. These games really count.

Now we have this JV game. There is usually a reason that the JV head coach is the varsity assistant, and the JV assistant is the JV assistant with no varsity duties of significance. JV ead coach leaves, 9 times out of 10 that means his kids are getting a lower level coach.

Hawks Coach --

Why not appoint the JV assistant as the head coach, and let the Varsity assistant, who needs to leave, also be the JV assistant? That person could still be the head JV coach in terms of being in charge during practice and setting plays and choosing players, but during games, he or she can leave without hampering the other coach.