knowing the rules

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by just another ref

This is fine when asked about the play on the floor. But what about: "They just gave that guy 3 free throws for the intentional foul on a made basket. That's not right, is it?" What do you say to that? I was absent that day?
[/B]

I don't know what you say, but what I say is "Sorry, I was looking the other way and didn't see it."

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by ace
He apologized to us both after the game for not changing after his games because it drew extra attention to us on the floor having him there in uniform with his jacket on.

A cardinal sin, most definitely.

[just another ref]

Originally posted by canuckrefguy

Everything else I think is fine, but not this.

You should have been more "diplomatic", as you put it, on that one.

These are not direct quotes, merely an abbreviated way of relating the meat of the conversation. I believe that my
actual words probably were a bit more diplomatic. I also pointed out that since the visitors went on to win by 9, the 1 extra free turned out to have no real bearing on the game, as is often the case when we officials make a "horrendous, unforgivable, mistake."

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by just another ref

This is fine when asked about the play on the floor. But what about: "They just gave that guy 3 free throws for the intentional foul on a made basket. That's not right, is it?" What do you say to that? I was absent that day?
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"I haven't studied all the new rule changes for this year yet."

"He's been at this a lot longer than I have."

"When I have a rules question, I call him"

"Maybe he's getting his HS and his college rules mixed up, I'm not sure."

"Here's the rule book, look it up."

"I'm not an evaluator, so I'm not the person to judge."

"Don't ask me, I got a 75 on my test!" (Don't say this if your game is next, not last)

"Is it going to affect the game?"

"He's using the Rule 2-3 thing."

All true, more or less, and none to the point. It's a great exercise for many parts of life.

[davidw]

excellent suggestions Rainmaker!

[Smitty]

Originally posted by rainmaker
"He's using the Rule 2-3 thing."

I especially like that one. Brilliant.

[roadking]

ok, hope i got my call right,a1 in the bonus, b2 intentionally fouls a1 to stop clock , technical free throws awarded, a1 gets ball near spot of foul. bonus fouls not awarded. this is the correct call to my recollection at the time no grief from coach, been looking through book to verify. help appreciated always learning. THANKS

[just another ref]

Originally posted by roadking
ok, hope i got my call right,a1 in the bonus, b2 intentionally fouls a1 to stop clock , technical free throws awarded, a1 gets ball near spot of foul. bonus fouls not awarded. this is the correct call to my recollection at the time no grief from coach, been looking through book to verify. help appreciated always learning. THANKS

Sounds like you got the call right, but are just using the wrong terms to describe it. If B2 intentionally fouls A1, for whatever reason, the penalty is 2 free throws plus the ball near the spot of the foul. The only exception would be if the foul is in the act of shooting a 3 point shot which is unsuccessful. The bonus and the word technical play no part in this ruling if I understand your description accurately.

[roadking]

the intentional foul was on the floor not on the shot. team A had 8 team fouls at the time of the intentional foul. if i understand the rule correctly the bonus free throws are not awarded on a intensional foul but if the intentional foul is in the act of shooting and the shot is made score counts no bonus. now if the shot is not successful only the free throws for the intensional foul is awarded plus ball out of bounds at nearest spot of infraction. does this sound right? HS rules thanks.

[roadking]

should be team B had 8 team fouls

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by roadking
if i understand the rule correctly the bonus free throws are not awarded on a intensional foul but if the intentional foul is in the act of shooting and the shot is made score counts no bonus. now if the shot is not successful only the free throws for the intensional foul is awarded plus ball out of bounds at nearest spot of infraction. does this sound right? HS rules thanks.

No matter what kind of foul we're talking about, you don't shoot FTs for that foul and bonus FTs for being over the limit. Suppose A1 is fouled in the act of shooting. It's a common foul and it's Team B's 10th foul of the half. You are not going to give 2 shots for the shooting foul and 2 shots for the automatic bonus. Right?

So in your case, you award 2 FTs and the ball for the intentional, and forget about any bonus FTs.

I hope that answers your question.

[just another ref]

Originally posted by roadking
the intentional foul was on the floor not on the shot. team A had 8 team fouls at the time of the intentional foul. if i understand the rule correctly the bonus free throws are not awarded on a intensional foul but if the intentional foul is in the act of shooting and the shot is made score counts no bonus. now if the shot is not successful only the free throws for the intensional foul is awarded plus ball out of bounds at nearest spot of infraction. does this sound right? HS rules thanks.

The penalty for an intentional foul is the same no matter how many team fouls the team has. Two shots plus ball near the spot of the foul. The only exception is three shots plus ball on unsuccessful three point shot. If fouled in the act of shooting and it goes in, whether a 2 or a 3, count the basket, two shots plus ball.

[just another ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

No matter what kind of foul we're talking about, you don't shoot FTs for that foul and bonus FTs for being over the limit. Suppose A1 is fouled in the act of shooting. It's a common foul and it's Team B's 10th foul of the half. You are not going to give 2 shots for the shooting foul and 2 shots for the automatic bonus. Right?

So in your case, you award 2 FTs and the ball for the intentional, and forget about any bonus FTs.

I hope that answers your question.

What he said.

[roadking]

thanks. just wanted to be sure on my understanding of the rule. GREAT FORUM