Nominations?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
I heard a story about a veteran varsity official who did the following:

A timeout after a B goal. A comes back and is properly told that they can run the endline. A player passes it inbounds where it is deflected out of bounds by a B player. Official allows A to run the baseline again. Whoops.

Rich

Was the deflection by B1 a kick? Was the subsequent OOB spot still on the endline?

[MN 3 Sport Ref]

Originally posted by Mark Padgett

Was the deflection by B1 a kick? Was the subsequent OOB spot still on the endline?

I see where you are going MARK:

If the subsequent throw in is on the end line then A IS ABLE TO run the endline again.FED 7-5-7.

This right is reatined after any violation (kick etc.) or a common foul (before bonus of course).

[Edited by MN 3 Sport Ref on Dec 4th, 2003 at 03:57 PM]

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by MN 3 Sport Ref

I see where you are going MARK:

If the subsequent throw in is on the end line then A IS ABLE TO run the endline again.FED 7-5-7.

This right is reatined after any violation (kick etc.) or a common foul (before bonus of course).

[Edited by MN 3 Sport Ref on Dec 4th, 2003 at 03:57 PM]

These rights are only retained if that violation or foul occurs before the ball is legally touched. If the ball is legally touched then the foul or violation occurs, it is a designated sport throw-in. There are only two violations that I can think of that can be committed by the defense that matter: kicking and elbows. Throw-in plane violations have always retained the right to run the endline.

[Hawks Coach]

Chuck
These are some things that I have seen happen and refs don't consistently call correctly.

1. The b/c where A1 passes in f/c, B1 taps toward b/c, A2 touches but does not control in f/c, then recovers in b/c. This is b/c, but often not called as a b/c violation, with the most common reason given that A wasn't in control when it went b/c.

2. The non-b/c where A1 on baseline inbounds to A2, ball is too high and A2 deflects into b/c and then recovers. This is often called a b/c violation, even though A never has team control due to throw-in.

3. Fumbling, stumbling catch - A1 on the move, receives pass but does not catch cleanly, takes three steps while bobbling ball, jump stops and grabs ball firmly - not a travel, but many think it is.

You could modify the situation to have the ball bobbled for a couple of steps, dropped (no control), the grabbed with two hands with both feet on floor, then a dribble is started - again no violation but you could prompt for DD or travel to see if there are any takers.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
... it is a designated sport throw-in.

Don't we just assume that the designated sport is basketball? What are the other choices?

[David B]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

Unless this was after a TO, you were incorrect.

You should have requested that he place two players in the lower spaces. If he refused, it's an immediate T for delay of game.

The violation for not filling the lower spots is part of the resumption-of-play procedure.

It was NOT part of a time out. If it was, then we could have used the resuming play.

I looked in the books for two days and could find nothing different or a way to handle the situation.

Like I said, I've never seen this before in my 10 years of calling.

But I was administering the FT, my partner told him coach we need two guys. He continued to conference, so I continued without him.

So, you're saying we should have given the T then?

The only thing I can find in the books is under Rule 9 and it says give the FT shooter a T if he delays coming to the line. But it says nothing about the two guys on the bottom blocks.

I don't have my book with me, but I did find in Rule 9 under violations (FT's) where it does say if a team continues to delay though give the T.

So I'm thinking administer, and they are then violating.

Then you give them a chance to get in place, and if they don't then give the T.

But I'm open to ideas.

Thanks
David

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by David B

Unless this was after a TO, you were incorrect.

You should have requested that he place two players in the lower spaces. If he refused, it's an immediate T for delay of game.

The violation for not filling the lower spots is part of the resumption-of-play procedure.

[/B]

It was NOT part of a time out. If it was, then we could have used the resuming play.

I looked in the books for two days and could find nothing different or a way to handle the situation.

[/B][/QUOTE]Mr. Jenkins is correct. Read casebook play 10.1.5SitC(b). It's your exact play, and it calls for an immediate T upon refusal to fill the bottom 2 spaces.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Mr. Jenkins is correct.

I didn't even know my dad posted on this forum.

[Adam]

Originally posted by Hawks Coach

2. The non-b/c where A1 on baseline inbounds to A2, ball is too high and A2 deflects into b/c and then recovers. This is often called a b/c violation, even though A never has team control due to throw-in.

Yeah, I kicked this one in a soph game the other night.
Sorry, coach.

[David B]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

It was NOT part of a time out. If it was, then we could have used the resuming play.

I looked in the books for two days and could find nothing different or a way to handle the situation.

[/B]

Mr. Jenkins is correct. Read casebook play 10.1.5SitC(b). It's your exact play, and it calls for an immediate T upon refusal to fill the bottom 2 spaces. [/B][/QUOTE]

thanks for the help. Now in 10 years when I have it happen again I'll know the correct ruling. (g)

That's why I like this forum, I can be educated a little more every day.

Thanks
David

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally posted by Viking32
On the floor 20 minutes before game, standing at half court. Look over to the visiting team and the assistant coach is doing layups with the team. Is this legal? What if he dunks?

What were you doing on the floor 20 minutes before the game?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

I didn't even know my dad posted on this forum.

I was in a kindlier, gentler mood. They usually come on me in the middle of the night, and last for..oh..about 7 minutes. When I wake up in the morning and read what I wrote(written? wroth?), I usually can't look at myself in a mirror.

That's what happened in this case.

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What were you doing on the floor 20 minutes before the game?

ncaa maybe?

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I was in a kindlier, gentler mood. They usually come on me in the middle of the night, and last for..oh..about 7 minutes.

Kinda like...uhmmm...well...you know....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
[/B]

I was in a kindlier, gentler mood. They usually come on me in the middle of the night, and last for..oh..about 7 minutes.
[/B][/QUOTE]

Kinda like...uhmmm...well...you know....

[/B][/QUOTE]My motto is "Waste not,want not".