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bob jenkins Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1051875)
Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.
If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts. IF the ball will remain dead (and be followed by a throw-in as part of the penalty), then wait until the throw-in.

Raymond Tue Jan 09, 2024 01:03pm
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Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1051875)
Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.
Yes it is correct. The penalty for a technical foul is the free throws and subsequent throw-in. You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

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ilyazhito Tue Jan 09, 2024 02:20pm
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1051879)
Yes it is correct. The penalty for a technical foul is the free throws and subsequent throw-in. You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.

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That makes sense. If A violates on the throw-in, B gets possession and the arrow.

Altor Tue Jan 09, 2024 02:40pm
Thanks all. I no longer have access to basketball rule books, so I couldn't look it up myself.

BillyMac Tue Jan 09, 2024 04:53pm
Wait ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1051878)
IF the ball will remain dead (and be followed by a throw-in as part of the penalty), then wait until the throw-in.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1051879)
You don't set the arrow for free throws if the ball is not going to be live after the last free throw.
Good example would be technical foul free throws to start an overtime.

BillyMac Tue Jan 09, 2024 04:57pm
Set It Now ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1051878)
If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts.
Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.

BillyMac Tue Jan 09, 2024 04:59pm
Before Control ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1051878)
If the ball will remain live if the FT is missed, then set the arrow when the FT starts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1051883)
Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.
... or after the ball is touched by a jumper but before anybody gains control.

Raymond Tue Jan 09, 2024 06:21pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1051883)
Good example would be a bonus free throws near the beginning of an overtime period for a common foul that occurs after the jump ball is tossed, but before the ball is touched by the jumpers.
What would be different if the jumpers did touch the ball? You would still set the AP arrow when the ball is at the disposal of the free throw shooter.

And if there's an intentional, technical, or flagrant foul after the jumpers touch the ball, you wouldn't set he AP arrow until the throw-in starts, not during the free throws.



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BillyMac Tue Jan 09, 2024 07:45pm
Nice Thread ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1051885)
What would be different if the jumpers did touch the ball?
Nothing, which is why I added my second post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1051884)
... or after the ball is touched by a jumper but before anybody gains control.
Nice thread reminding us about pregame team versus pregame individual technical fouls, and when to set the arrow during such.

BillyMac Tue Jan 09, 2024 07:46pm
No Rebounders ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1051885)
And if there's an intentional, technical, or flagrant foul after the jumpers touch the ball, you wouldn't set he AP arrow until the throw-in starts, not during the free throws.
Easy way for me to remember - no rebounders.

Scrapper1 Tue Jan 09, 2024 09:21pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Altor (Post 1051875)
Is this right? I was expecting the arrow to be set when Team B received the ball for the FT, meaning Team A gets the ball to start the game AND the arrow. This is more fair, but is not the ruling I was expecting.
Yes, it's correct. When FTs are awarded before the alternating possession arrow has been set, the arrow is set as follows:

1) When the ball will remain dead after the free throws and play will be resumed with a throw-in, the arrow is set to the non-throw-in team when the ball is at the thrower's disposal;

OR

2) When the ball will remain live after the free throws and players will be allowed to line up to attempt to rebound a missed attempt, then the arrow is set to the non-free-throwing team when the ball is at the disposal of the free thrower. (Rule 4-3)


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