Comments On The 2023-24 Rules Changes ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The only change in the rule is the delay portion of the rule.

A technical foul for a player to purposely or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds has been around for many, many years.

How is this a change?

The rule about a player intentionally leaving the court for an unauthorized reason (not legally being out of bounds to better use a screen, or to avoid three seconds) being a violation has also been around for many, many years.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... someone going around the screen set for them and having their entire foot or both feet to get open on the other side of the end line.

Violation every day the week, been that way for many, many years.

I'm not sure if there was an actual recent change, and if so, exactly what the change is?

Have unintentionally (momentum) and purposely (intentionally) been combined as a violation if said player is the first player to touch the ball after returning inbounds?

If so, why add the word "purposely" to the comments on the 2023-24 rule 9-3-3 change?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A technical foul for a player to purposely or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds has been around for many, many years.

How is this a change?

This has nothing to do with that rule. You are waaaaaayyyyyyyyyy overthinking this.

Comments On The 2023-24 Rules Changes: 9-3-3: Establishing that a player may step out of bounds without penalty unless they are the first player to touch the ball after returning to the court or if they left the court to avoid a violation allows the game to continue without stoppage when the player’s actions did not create an advantage. When an advantage is gained by a player purposely leaving the court and being the first one to touch the ball or leaving the court to avoid a violation, an advantage is gained, and a violation has occurred.

So if they are not the first to touch, you do not have a violation right? Is that not a delay to wait for such a violation to take place? Is there not a delay in a FT violation committed by the opponents of the FTer to if or when we call a violation in most cases? If the ball goes in then we do not call a FT violation in those cases, right? So if the player that goes out of bounds is the 2nd or 3rd person to touch the ball after entering the court, do we still call a violation? No, we do not.

Unless they have something completely in mind, this is the rule from college. There is already an application of this rule that is being implemented. Unless the NF completely had something else in mind, this is the rule we have now.

STOP MAKING THIS CONFUSING WHEN IT IS NOT!!!!!

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You are waaaaaayyyyyyyyyy overthinking this.

Only because of the word "purposely" is spelled out in the new language, with no mention of "momentum", "accidentally", or "unintentionally" spelled out in the new language.

And no where is the word "delay" mentioned any where in the new language.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is that not a delay to wait for such a violation to take place?

Agree for college.

Not sure what the NFHS has in mind for high school?

Why did the NFHS stick the word "purposely" in there?

Does the NFHS limit the violation to "purposely" (assuming it's not to gain an advantage (screen) or to avoid a violation (three seconds)?

Or a violation for the player running out of an exit to confuse the opponents (intentionally leaving the court for an unauthorized reason).

[JRutledge]

Section 3. Player Out of Bounds
Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under the player's own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.

a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of
bounds as permitted by Rule 7-4.6.b, does not receive the pass along the
end line from a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after returning to the playing court.

b. A player whose momentum causes that player to go out of bounds may be the first to touch the ball inbounds if that player reestablishes one foot inbounds prior to touching the ball.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Peace

Thanks JRutledge.

Let's hope that the NFHS has the same intent and purpose and uses the same well defined rule language, maybe with some helpful interpretations.

Because right now the NFHS is doing a piss poor job of explaining this new rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks JRutledge.

Let's hope that the NFHS has the same intent and purpose and uses the same well defined rule language, maybe with some helpful interpretations.

Because right now the NFHS is doing a piss poor job of explaining this new rule.

I think some of us are a little impatient as to what the rules suggest. There are rules announced and we will see the examples later. The NCAA does the same thing. They announce rules changes and we wait to see what they really mean in the fall (like the new LGP changes in NCAA Men's). I think you are wanting something that has to be ironed out with language and other consequences. I really would not worry about this until the new rulebooks are out and the casebooks are finished. Just an opinion.

Peace