Was it really that bad?

[jmwking]

If we're parsing English (and IANAG - I am not a grammarian) and if you connect the two parts of the rule,

"Such actions include, but are not limited to ... attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown",

the second use of the word "by" indicates that the "failing to immediately pass" is a method of gaining an advantage.

If that's not the intent, the rule should be reworded. Just adding a comma or semi-colon can't fix that.

Was it disrespectful, though?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jmwking

If we're parsing English and if you connect the two parts of the rule, "Such actions include, but are not limited to ... attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown", the second use of the word "by" indicates that the "failing to immediately pass" is a method of gaining an advantage. If that's not the intent, the rule should be reworded. Just adding a comma or semi-colon can't fix that.

Nice explanation. Sounds like jmwking was a much better English student in high school than I was.

If we were studying something I was interested in (Antigone, The Iliad, The Odyssey, Julius Caesar, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth, Hamlet, Animal Farm, Catch-22, The Old Man and the Sea, Moby Dick, The Pearl, Crime and Punishment, Fahrenheit 451, 1984, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, A Tale of Two Cities, Oliver Twist, A Christmas Carol, The Call of the Wild), I could often get A's.

However, if we were studying something I was not at all interested in (The Scarlet Letter, Wuthering Heights, Jane Eyre, Pride and Prejudice, Ethan Frome), I would be lucky to get C's.

Vocabulary? Fuhgeddaboudit!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jmwking

If we're parsing English (and IANAG - I am not a grammarian) and if you connect the two parts of the rule,

"Such actions include, but are not limited to ... attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown",

the second use of the word "by" indicates that the "failing to immediately pass" is a method of gaining an advantage.

If that's not the intent, the rule should be reworded. Just adding a comma or semi-colon can't fix that.

Was it disrespectful, though?

Yeah, it was. It is disrespectful to think someone should go fetch a ball you tossed away from the playing court.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jmwking

If we're parsing English (and IANAG - I am not a grammarian) and if you connect the two parts of the rule,

"Such actions include, but are not limited to ... attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown",

the second use of the word "by" indicates that the "failing to immediately pass" is a method of gaining an advantage.

If that's not the intent, the rule should be reworded. Just adding a comma or semi-colon can't fix that.

Was it disrespectful, though?

Can you tell me what advantage you get by not giving an official the ball during a dead ball? I literally cannot think of one. Because if you do not give the official the ball, the other team is not prevented from something. The only thing it is IMO is a disrespectful act when you throw the ball away during a dead ball as Clark did here.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

As in was it an unsporting act? I could argue it was ... why should any player be allowed to toss the ball away from the court?

Like I said before, while I have never charged a high school technical foul for such, I also have never ignored it, giving a stern warning every time it happens.

Kids (and coaches) today just don't know the rule, so I educate them.

"Do you know that I can charge you with a technical foul for that? Now please go and get me the ball."

[Altor]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Like I said before, while I have never charged a high school technical foul for such, I also have never ignored it, giving a stern warning every time it happens.[/I]

I've only seen it once...when I was in high school in the mid 90s.

T calls a foul in the backcourt and goes to report. L is standing near midcourt, on opposite side from table and is clearly asking for the ball from a player who is holding it behind his back probably 10 feet away. They have a short conversation and at the end of it, the player just drops the ball (while it's still behind his back) and it bounces away from both of them.