Was it really that bad?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Agree.

In high school basketball we can't give any official warning for not giving the ball to the officials, the NFHS expects us to go directly to a technical foul, which many of us (at least me) are reluctant to do.

I college, not giving the ball to the officials is grouped in with the other delay situations, and in the absence of any previous delays, it can be warned.

I do not work women's college basketball so I do not know what their standard is to even call this. All I know is that I will T a kid if they are blatantly disrespectful. Meaning they clearly push the ball away and I have seen guys literally tell the player, "If you do not go get that ball, I am T'ing you up." I have seen officials at the college level do that in games I was on and it worked. But not seen a T just for that reason alone, it is usually when a player is doing extra. I am going to assume that the T in this game was something they addressed and she just did not comply. Again, if the player does not do this then there is no issue.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not work women's college basketball so I do not know what their standard is to even call this. All I know is that I will T a kid if they are blatantly disrespectful.

That's the general standard.

Didn't watch the game and have no idea whether there were already "unofficial warnings" given

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's the general standard.

Didn't watch the game and have no idea whether there were already "unofficial warnings" given

According to the pool reporter, there was one given by the official. The T was the second offense.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

According to the pool reporter, there was one given by the official. The T was the second offense.

Yes, I believe that the first delay offense was an "official" delay warning for attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Yes, I believe that the first delay offense was an "official" delay warning for attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal.

Gaining an advantage is not the bar for what she got T'd with. But it involves two things that could get a warning. Either way, a warning was given prior. Different rule as it relates to the Men's game for sure.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Gaining an advantage is not the bar for what she got T'd with. But it involves two things that could get a warning. Either way, a warning was given prior.

Agree. The wording of the two clauses, separated by the word "or", is a little ambiguous, but I believe that the word "advantage" probably only refers to the 'interfering with the ball after a goal" clause and probably doesn't refer to the "immediately pass the ball to the nearest official" clause.

We probably need a Forum member who is very knowledgeable in NCAA-W rules to to confirm or deny.

NCAA-W Rule 4 Section 9 Delay
Art. 1. A delay is any action that impedes the progress or continuity of the game. Such actions include, but are not limited to:
a. Failure to supply scorers with data per Rule 3-4.1;
b. Consuming a full minute by not being ready when it is time to start either half or any overtime;
c. Delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly made live or by preventing continuous play, such as but not limited to, followers or bench personnel entering the playing court before player activity has been terminated. When the delay does not interfere with play, it shall be ignored, and play shall be continued or be resumed at the point of interruption;
d. Repeatedly delaying the game by preventing the ball from being promptly put into play, such as delaying the administration of a throw-in or free throw by engaging in a team huddle anywhere on the playing court;
e. Failure to have the court ready for play after the final horn to end any timeout;
f. Attempting to gain an advantage by interfering with the ball after a goal or by failing to immediately pass the ball to the nearest official after a whistle is blown; or
g. The opponents of the thrower-in having any part of their person beyond the vertical inside plane of any boundary line before the ball has crossed that boundary line.
Art. 2. One team warning shall be given for each of the delays in Rule 4-9.1.d through .g. Each warning shall be reported to the official scorer. Thereafter, a technical foul shall be assessed for the delay that has previously received a team warning.

[JRutledge]

The operative word is "or" which means the first part of that sentence applies one thing and the other is simply not giving the officials the ball. It did not say "and." It said, "or."

What advantage in the game does take place if you do not give the ball to the nearest official? I cannot think of one. Because this is usually done when there is a clear dead ball (not after a made basket).

OR
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1.
used to link alternatives.
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2.
introducing a synonym or explanation of a preceding word or phrase.
"the espionage novel, or, as it is known in the trade, the thriller"

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

"If you do not go get that ball, I am T'ing you up."

Sounds similar to what I say in my high school games.