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[Raymond]

Chicago State at Minnesota. Player goes to throw a pass from outside the three-point line and a defender deflects it and it goes into the basket. Officials awarded a three-pointer. Don't remember if the defender was inside or outside the 3-pt line

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Player goes to throw a pass from outside the three-point line and a defender deflects it and it goes into the basket. Officials awarded a three-pointer. Don't remember if the defender was inside or outside the 3-pt line.

Touched by a defender, either inside, or outside, the three point line, is easy. Three points.

More interesting would be if the pass was deflected by another offensive player who was also outside the three point line.

I say three points, even if the pass was deflected off of his head.

Even more interesting would be if the end of period horn sounded as the passed and deflected ball was in flight on its way to the basket after deflecting off the second offensive player. No points.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Player goes to throw a pass from outside the three-point line and a defender deflects it and it goes into the basket.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Touched by a defender, either inside, or outside, the three point line, is easy. Three points.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

More interesting would be if the pass was deflected by another offensive player who was also outside the three point line. I say three points ... Even more interesting would be if the end of period horn sounded as the passed and deflected ball was in flight on its way to the basket after deflecting off the second offensive player. No points.

In Raymond's original situation (defender deflects), had the end of period horn sounded as the passed and deflected ball was in flight on its way to the basket would it be no points because it wasn't a try?

If it was not a pass, but an ordinary try, deflected by a defender (think blocked shot), and the end of period horn sounded as the deflected ball was in flight on its way to the basket, the basket would count (try hadn't ended).

But, in Raymond's original situation, it wasn't described as a try, it was described as a pass.

Enquiring minds want to know.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

In Raymond's original situation (defender deflects), had the end of period horn sounded as the passed and deflected ball was in flight on its way to the basket would it be no points because it wasn't a try?

Too obvious to warrant an answer

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Chicago State at Minnesota. Player goes to throw a pass from outside the three-point line and a defender deflects it and it goes into the basket. Officials awarded a three-pointer. Don't remember if the defender was inside or outside the 3-pt line

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I am sure this would be an easy find. But it looked like they awarded a 2 on the initial call. Did they change it later?

Peace

[BillyMac]

For young'uns born after the introduction of the three point line (NFHS 1987-1988), initially, in order to count three points, the officials had to be 100% sure that it was an actual try.

Initially, an alley oop pass from behind the three point line to a teammate that "accidentally" and directly went in the basket was only counted as two points.

The rule changed to the present rule after only a few years.

Once Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. rehabilitates his new "Six Million Dollar Man" knee, he can climb up to his attic library and tell us when the change occurred.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am sure this would be an easy find. But it looked like they awarded a 2 on the initial call. Did they change it later?



Peace

I can't embed it from my phone, but I just watched it again, and yes it was only a 2 initially but the play-by-play has it as 3. Just saw also that one foot for the defender was inside the 3-point line.



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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Player goes to throw a pass from outside the three-point line and a defender deflects it and it goes into the basket.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Touched by a defender, either inside, or outside, the three point line, is easy. Three points.

Originally Posted by Raymond

Just saw also that one foot for the defender was inside the 3-point line.

Doesn't matter (NFHS) inside, or outside, for a defender, still three points.

It does matter if the ball touches a second offensive player, inside, two points; outside, three points.

[JRutledge]

The play in question was clearly not at the basket or by the description of the NF an "Alley-opp" pass. This was just a cross-court attempted a pass that was deflected by the defender in front and then went in the basket. So yes, it matters at least by the NF description. Clearly at the NCAA level they even say that it must be a pass toward the basket on some level and clearly says why. The deflection went in a totally different direction.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Touched by a defender, either inside, or outside, the three point line, is easy. Three points.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Doesn't matter (NFHS) inside, or outside, for a defender, still three points.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This was just a cross-court attempted a pass that was deflected by the defender in front and then went in the basket. So yes, it matters at least by the NF description.

NFHS 5-2-A: A successful try, tap or thrown ball from the field by a player who is located behind the team’s own 19-foot, 9-inch arc counts three points. A ball that touches the floor, a teammate inside the arc, an official, or any other goal from the field counts two points for the team into whose basket the ball is thrown.

5.2.1 SITUATION C: A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The ball is legally touched by: (a) B1 who is in the three-point area; (b) B1 who is in the two-point area; (c) A2 who is in the three-point area; or (d) A2 who is in the two-point area. The ball continues in flight and goes through A's basket. RULING: In (a) and (b), three points are scored since the legal touching was by the defense and the ball was thrown from behind the three-point line. In (c), score three points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred behind the three- point line. In (d), score two points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred in the two-point area.

NFHS rule citation doesn't mention a ball touching a defender inside the arc (or outside the arc) as negating three points.

No NFHS rule language about the direction of the original pass, unlike the NCAA language.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... at the NCAA level they even say that it must be a pass toward the basket on some level ...