3 Types of Violations

[Rich1]

In the back of the rule book (page 82) there is a list of "Basketball Rules Fundamentals", which unfortunately are unknown to a lot of refs. In this section, #8 states "there are three types of violations and each has its own penalty."

Anyone know what these 3 types are?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich1

In the back of the rule book (page 82) there is a list of "Basketball Rules Fundamentals", which unfortunately are unknown to a lot of refs. In this section, #8 states "there are three types of violations and each has its own penalty."

Anyone know what these 3 types are?

Excellent question!
I know that floor violations and basket violations are two of them.
I cannot recall what was the third classification. Perhaps dribbling or time. Someone more veteran than I will remember this old classification system.

Edit: might have been jump ball violations, which were far more important prior to the AP arrow.

[Mike Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Rich1

In the back of the rule book (page 82) there is a list of "Basketball Rules Fundamentals", which unfortunately are unknown to a lot of refs. In this section, #8 states "there are three types of violations and each has its own penalty."

Anyone know what these 3 types are?

Rule 4-46: VIOLATION

A violation is one of three types of rule infractions which are listed and the penalty outlined in 9-1 through 13. Following are the types of violations:

ART. 1... Type 1: Floor violations including basket interference by a teammate of the player attempting a field goal or free throw or goaltending a field goal and other violations, which are not connected with a free throw or try or tap for field goal.

ART. 2... Type 2: Basket interference or goaltending by a player at the opponent’s basket.

ART. 3... Type 3: Free-throw violations other than those involving basket interference or goaltending.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin

Rule 4-46: VIOLATION A violation is one of three types of rule infractions which are listed and the penalty outlined in 9-1 through 13. Following are the types of violations ...

What a weird classification system.

Melvil Dewey and Carl Linnaeus would not be pleased.

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What a weird classification system.

Melvil Dewey and Carl Linnaeus would not be pleased.

Nice references. There can't be 5 people on this site that know off the top of their head who these two guys are. You were either a librarian or a biologist in a past life.

[FlasherZ]

Originally Posted by Rich1

Nice references. There can't be 5 people on this site that know off the top of their head who these two guys are. You were either a librarian or a biologist in a past life.

There are probably more than 5, I'd hope - they taught us this in grade school... if not, I'm in rare company then.

[Rich1]

Originally Posted by FlasherZ

There are probably more than 5, I'd hope - they taught us this in grade school... if not, I'm in rare company then.

Dewey - Yes, we all used the library at some point.

Linnaeus - Lesser known evolutionist whose theories were largely disproven by Darwin so why would this even come up in elementary school.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich1

There can't be 5 people on this site that know off the top of their head who these two guys are.

Originally Posted by FlasherZ

There are probably more than 5 ... they taught us this in grade schoo l...

Most people couldn't care a Rattus norvegicus's ass who Carl Linnaeus was.

Wasn't Dewey one of the triplet nephews of Donald Duck?

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What a weird classification system.

Melvil Dewey and Carl Linnaeus would not be pleased.

Agreed. Neither of them would classify 13 classes into 3 categories. There always is an odd violation out. Add in the shot clock violation, and you have 14.

I get that NFHS classes violations by consequence: possession, points, or free throws. However, that classification doesn't help to determine what the nature of the infraction was. Basket interference by the offense is class 2 according to NFHS, but its practical impact is no different than that of traveling (class 1).

I would judge violations by their nature: Free throw violations (outside marked spaces entering before the ball hits the ring, inside the marked spaces entering before the release, etc.), time violations (3 second, 5 second, 10 second, shot clock), ball violations (illegal dribble, traveling, carrying, out of bounds, kicking or striking the ball with a fist), scoring violations (goaltending and basket interference), and procedural violations (swinging the elbows, backcourt, throw-in violations, leaving the court for an unauthorized reason).

[crosscountry55]

It strikes me that the three types of violations are classified on the basis of how we dispose them:

1. Opponent gets a throw-in.
2. Opponent is awarded points.
3. Opponent either gets a substitute free throw or has their free-throw cancelled.

Of course there are nuances, but that’s the basic framework.


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[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

It strikes me that the three types of violations are classified on the basis of how we dispose them:

1. Opponent gets a throw-in.
2. Opponent is awarded points.
3. Opponent either gets a substitute free throw or has their free-throw cancelled.

Of course there are nuances, but that’s the basic framework.


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Nice! I never thought of it that way.

I have always found the classification of violations into three types as useless at best and confusing at worst.

This was because I didn’t understand how several violations fit into the system. For example, jump ball violations, throw-in violations, or timing violations (3-seconds, ten seconds in the backcourt, etc.) would all be covered under article 1.

I’m going to reflect upon this a bit as it seems that teaching the penalties for types 2 & 3 would be useful. That way everything else is type 1 and results in a throw-in.

[Rich1]

I had heard them stated as "timing" violations which would be 5 seconds, 10 seconds, close guard, etc; "ball handling" violations such as traveling, double-dribble, etc; and "other" violations which would be goal-tending or basket interference.

I don't like these because "other" just doesn't cut it for me and these don't include defensive violations. I am also not satisfied with what is in Rule 4-46 but do accept that it is the rule - it seems to me we could classify the violations into better categories and basket interference is in there twice.

Maybe we need 5 types of violations.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I have always found the classification of violations into three types as useless at best and confusing at worst.

Maybe it was translated poorly from the ancient Aramaic, Hebrew, or Greek used by James Naismith.

[crosscountry55]

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