Time back on clock

[surehands]

Team A takes the ball out of bounds with 5:01 on the clock. A takes it over 1/2 court at the referees 6 second count and continues to play offense and they make a basket. The timer blows the horn and informs the referee the clock is still at 5:01.
What do you do?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by surehands

Team A takes the ball out of bounds with 5:01 on the clock. A takes it over 1/2 court at the referees 6 second count and continues to play offense and they make a basket. The timer blows the horn and informs the referee the clock is still at 5:01.
What do you do?

Use any definitive knowledge to reset the clock -- that's six seconds in your scenario, unless someone had a count(s) during the FC possession.

Then, remember to look at the clock every time the ball is inbounded to be sure it starts.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Use any definitive knowledge to reset the clock -- that's six seconds in your scenario, unless someone had a count(s) during the FC possession.

... Five seconds closely guarded (even if not called), three seconds in lane (even as non-visual, even if not called), even a mental count by an official after realizing that the clock hadn't moved (while waiting for good time to blow play dead), all count as definite knowledge.

By rule, you can't guess, or estimate (with one very rare exception).

Surprised the fans let it go that far.

Fans: "Clock, clock, clock ...".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

By rule, you can't guess, or estimate (with one very rare exception).

There is only one very specific situation that I am aware of that allows officials to "guess" or "estimate" (no actual "definite" count of any type) to change the clock.

2009-10 Basketball Rules Interpretations Situation 11: Team B scores a goal to take the lead by one point. A1 immediately requests and is granted a timeout with three seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. Following the time-out, Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in from anywhere along the end line. A1 passes the ball to A2, who is also outside the boundary; A2 passes the ball to A1 who is inbounds and running the length of the court. The timer mistakenly starts the clock when A2 touches A1’s pass while standing outside the boundary. An official notices the clock starting on A2’s touch (a), before A2 releases the throw-in pass to A1, (b), while A2’s throw-in pass is in flight to A1, or (c), as soon as A1 catches the throw-in pass. Ruling: This is an obvious timing mistake and may be corrected. In (a) and (b), the official shall blow the whistle, stop play and direct the timer to put three seconds on the game clock. Since the throw-in had not ended, play is resumed with a Team A throw-in from anywhere along the end line. In (c), the official may put the correct time on the clock, but must make some allowance for the touching by A1 – likely 10ths of a second, if displayed. The ball is put in play nearest to where it was located when the stoppage occurred to correct the timing mistake. A “do over” is not permitted in (c), since the throw-in had ended. (4-36; 5-10-1)

[FlasherZ]

Originally Posted by surehands

Team A takes the ball out of bounds with 5:01 on the clock. A takes it over 1/2 court at the referees 6 second count and continues to play offense and they make a basket. The timer blows the horn and informs the referee the clock is still at 5:01.
What do you do?

My experience is that the timer wouldn't blow the horn to tell on themselves. With 5:01 on the clock - especially in quarter 1-3 - timers will usually just say "oops" and start it ASAP and unless the official(s) saw it, they'll never know.

As noted, any definitive knowledge can be used, but would the trail recall where precisely his backcourt count ended? And try to get together to add any other counts that were used?

I suspect most officials - at this point in the game - will just say "move on".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by FlasherZ

My experience is that the timer wouldn't blow the horn to tell on themselves. With 5:01 on the clock - especially in quarter 1-3 - timers will usually just say "oops" and start it ASAP and unless the official(s) saw it, they'll never know.

Agree. Still surprised that the fans didn't see the "oops".