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BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:45am

Why Rules Are Changed ...
 
Observed two of my friends in the state tournament last night. This is what they had to deal with (sorry about the blurred photo). Black numbers with a thin blue border on a black jersey.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...be5a49df_m.jpg

NFHS 2019-20 Rule Change (3-4-3-E-2) Contrasting Number: The color of the number cannot be the same color as the body of the jersey, though bordered by a contrasting color, because it is difficult to see (Effective 2024-25).

bob jenkins Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:48am

That is illegal even under the current rules.

BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:13am

Clearly Visible ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1047391)
That is illegal even under the current rules.

"Clearly visible"?

3-4-3-E: Numbers must adhere to the following: The style of the number must be clearly visible and conform to one of the following:
1. A solid contrasting color with no more than two solid color ¼-inch borders around the entire number. If the team jersey color is used as a border, it must be counted as one of the allowed colors.
2. The team jersey color itself when bordered with not more than two ¼-inch solid border(s) contrasting with the team jersey color.
3. A solid contrasting color with a “shadow” trim of a contrasting color on part of the number not to exceed ½ inch in width and may be used with one 1/4-inch border.

ilyazhito Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047390)
Observed two of my friends in the state tournament last night. This is what they had to deal with (sorry about the blurred photo). Black numbers with a thin blue border on a black jersey.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...be5a49df_m.jpg

NFHS 2019-20 Rule Change (3-4-3-E-2) Contrasting Number: The color of the number cannot be the same color as the body of the jersey, though bordered by a contrasting color, because it is difficult to see (Effective 2024-25).

I would not allow a team to play with those jerseys, because I can't tell what the number is. They would have to provide a different set of jerseys (or the home team could lend them a set of legal dark-colored jerseys) for the game to start. This is allowed under Rule 2-3.

JRutledge Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047397)
I would not allow a team to play with those jerseys, because I can't tell what the number is. They would have to provide a different set of jerseys (or the home team could lend them a set of legal dark-colored jerseys) for the game to start. This is allowed under Rule 2-3.

You are forfeiting the game? Because what if they do not have other jerseys? Isn't there a remedy for this already?

Peace

BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:48am

Remedy ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1047398)
You are forfeiting the game? Because what if they do not have other jerseys? Isn't there a remedy for this already?

No forfeit. Direct technical foul to the head coach (if one so desires).

10-6-4: The head coach must not permit a team member to participate while wearing an illegal uniform

bob jenkins Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047393)
"Clearly visible"?

3-4-3-E: Numbers must adhere to the following: The style of the number must be clearly visible and conform to one of the following:
1. A solid contrasting color with no more than two solid color ¼-inch borders around the entire number. If the team jersey color is used as a border, it must be counted as one of the allowed colors.
2. The team jersey color itself when bordered with not more than two ¼-inch solid border(s) contrasting with the team jersey color.
3. A solid contrasting color with a “shadow” trim of a contrasting color on part of the number not to exceed ½ inch in width and may be used with one 1/4-inch border.

Right rule. Wrong reference.

BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:56am

Good For The Goose, Good For The Gander ...
 
Here are their home uniforms, white numbers with a blue border on white jerseys. Much easier to see the numbers compared to their road uniforms, but will definitely be illegal in 2024-25.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9d157a8d_m.jpg

Zoochy Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1047400)
No forfeit. Direct technical foul to the head coach (if one so desires).

10-6-4: The head coach must not permit a team member to participate while wearing an illegal uniform

It's not an Illegal uniform until 2024-25 season.
I saw teams in my area with Black uniforms with Black numbers and a thin Orange border around the number.
Oh Well.....

BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:00pm

Pantone Color Chart ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1047402)
Right rule. Wrong reference.

Blue doesn't contrast enough with black? Let me whip out my official NFHS Pantone color chart.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ca2cdd01_m.jpg

Sorry, wrong chart.

BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:01pm

Always Listen To bob ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 1047404)
It's not an Illegal uniform until 2024-25 season.

Not according to bob jenkins.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/20/49/0d/2...age-prints.jpg

ilyazhito Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1047398)
You are forfeiting the game? Because what if they do not have other jerseys? Isn't there a remedy for this already?

Peace

I have provided several solutions. They could also play in a set of PE pinnies, as long as the numbers contrast with the body color of the jerseys. If the home team has the issue, I would ask them to get an older set of uniforms that have contrasting numbers, or else light-colored PE pinnies. If the practice jerseys have numbers, we could use those as well.

I would make sure that both teams have legal uniforms. If legal uniforms cannot be secured, the coach gets a technical foul.

BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:15pm

Play Ball ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047408)
If legal uniforms cannot be secured, the coach gets a technical foul.

That's your remedy (if you so desire). Play ball.

BillyMac Wed Mar 09, 2022 12:22pm

Contrast ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ilyazhito (Post 1047408)
... the numbers contrast with the body color of the jerseys ...

Not necessarily so in 2021-22. One has to factor in the border (it must contrast with the jersey color if the number color is the same as the jersey color). See my "home jersey" post and photo above (legal in 2021-22, blue border definitely contrasts with white number and white jersey).

Zoochy Wed Mar 09, 2022 01:28pm

Uniforms
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvz_eMDYuwc


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