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Old Sun Mar 06, 2022, 11:24pm
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I am actually surprised she was not run. That kind of reaction, she should been run. Tried of women's officials allowing this crap that you never see by any other coach at any other level without getting run. They act like they are scared of her.

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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 08:28am
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I wonder what happened with the collision in the lane at about the same time the whistle blew for the T. I thought that might be what the video review was for.
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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 09:22am
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I wonder what happened with the collision in the lane at about the same time the whistle blew for the T. I thought that might be what the video review was for.
That's what I was pondering on a Facebook thread.
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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 09:34am
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I am actually surprised she was not run. That kind of reaction, she should been run. Tried of women's officials allowing this crap that you never see by any other coach at any other level without getting run. They act like they are scared of her.

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I've seen men's and HS officials (and I am one of them) let more misbehavior slide without a second T than what Mulkey demonstrated here.
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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 09:44am
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Also, the play that got her riled up is a foul IMO. The shooter may kick the leg but the defender goes A to B and knocks her to the ground, rendering any leg kick irrelevant. In a 12-point game with 1:36 left I think I'm giving that call to the losing team.

Maybe with the benefit of another camera angle I'd change my opinion, but that's just my thought. And it doesn't in any way justify Mulkey's histrionics.

She seems to have one of these episodes in the postseason every few years. Maybe that's why she wasn't wearing a coat this time.
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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 11:01am
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Many Questions ...

Did the official stop a Kentucky fast break to charge the technical foul?

Are the LSU coaches dressed for a basketball game, or for going to a club?

At least they're better dressed than the "track suits" that some of our high school coaches wear.

Look like the same outfits that they probably wear to practice.

Maybe they just want to be prepared to physically demonstrate to their players how to box out and rebound during a timeout or intermission?

Nice to hear the "Chicken Dance".
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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 12:19pm
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Did the official stop a Kentucky fast break to charge the technical foul?

Are the LSU coaches dressed for a basketball game, or for going to a club?

At least they're better dressed than the "track suits" that some of our high school coaches wear.

Look like the same outfits that they probably wear to practice.

Maybe they just want to be prepared to physically demonstrate to their players how to box out and rebound during a timeout or intermission?

Nice to hear the "Chicken Dance".
Mulkey is the only one that is in a T-shirt. The others are dressed in professional attire that you would see any time before Covid. But now everyone is wearing sweats or sponsored gear that you used to never see in a actual game setting.

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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 12:50pm
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Mulkey is the only one that is in a T-shirt. The others are dressed in professional attire ...
I have never been known for having any fashion sense, especially in regard to women's fashion.

Mulkey's "sparkly" top first got my attention, but it was also the "bright" outfit, makeup, and jewelry of her assistant coach.

I know that the days of high school coaches wearing jackets and ties are long gone, and I actually kind of like high school staffs all wearing casual (Dockers) pants, matching casual (Vans) sneakers, and matching school color polo shirts, with embroidered names, mascots, etc., but the "track suits" are way too casual in my opinion, looking like organized crime gangsters at their social club.

Before COVID, many of our young'un officials were showing up for games in sneakers, work boots, T-shirts, and jeans instead of "business causal" as recommended. Our executive committee was just about to tackle this issue when COVID hit.

Last two years, with COVID, we've recommended that officials come dressed in uniform, not being sure if dressing areas were going to be available, or not wanting officials crowded into small dressing areas.

Many of our officials, both young'uns, and veterans, have come to appreciate the convenience of dressing in uniform at home (or at one's day job), even if it means driving home in a sweaty uniform.

There may be no going back to "business casual", and I find myself on the fence in regard to this issue.
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Did the official stop a Kentucky fast break to charge the technical foul?
Since nobody else seems to want to discuss it, I will break the ice.

This was not a classic number advantage fast break, more of a "slow break", but the Kentucky player that received the pass left of the lane had a wide open jump shot. Kentucky never seemed to "pull back" to set up their half court offense. Of course, with the score as it was, Kentucky would have just been happy to play "stall ball" to run down the shot clock, certainly not in a hurry to score unless it's a 100% sure thing (uncontested layup).

NFHS 10.5.1 SITUATION F: A1 is driving toward the basket for an apparent goal when the official, while trailing the play advancing in the direction in which the ball is being advanced, is cursed by the head coach or bench personnel of Team B. How should the official handle this situation? RULING: The official shall withhold blowing the whistle until A1 has either made or missed the shot. The official shall then sound the whistle and assess the Team B head coach or bench personnel with a technical foul. If the official judges the act to be flagrant, the offender shall be ejected. If A’s coach or bench personnel was the offender, the whistle shall be sounded immediately when the unsporting act occurs. (10-4-1a)
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Old Tue Mar 08, 2022, 04:36pm
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This was not a classic number advantage fast break, more of a "slow break", but the Kentucky player that received the pass left of the lane had a wide open jump shot. Kentucky never seemed to "pull back" to set up their half court offense. Of course, with the score as it was, Kentucky would have just been happy to play "stall ball" to run down the shot clock, certainly not in a hurry to score unless it's a 100% sure thing (uncontested layup).
My high school opinion, official made the correct call at the correct time. It would have been nice for him to wait another second, or two, but considering the time, the score, and Kentucky's probable strategy (short of an uncontested layup), it was the correct call at the correct time.
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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 12:23pm
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Also, the play that got her riled up is a foul IMO. The shooter may kick the leg but the defender goes A to B and knocks her to the ground, rendering any leg kick irrelevant. In a 12-point game with 1:36 left I think I'm giving that call to the losing team.

Maybe with the benefit of another camera angle I'd change my opinion, but that's just my thought. And it doesn't in any way justify Mulkey's histrionics.

She seems to have one of these episodes in the postseason every few years. Maybe that's why she wasn't wearing a coat this time.
Men's basketball addressed the leg kick issue. I cannot speak directly to the fact that the Women's Supervisor did the same. So again if ruled that way, I have no issues. Going A to B is one thing, but would we the defender have made contact if not for the unnatural kick out. If anything from the philosophy of the Men's side, this would be acceptable to call a PCF. Because if the defender goes down and would not have made contact with the shooter otherwise, that is what they had advocated. But the NCAA Men's spent an entire video on unnatural shooting motions and showed several plays where the shooter caused the contact or should be called if contact is made with the leg or other parts of the body. So are the Women's officials being emphasized the same thing? I have not seen all their Fast Break videos.

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Old Mon Mar 07, 2022, 12:16pm
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I've seen men's and HS officials (and I am one of them) let more misbehavior slide without a second T than what Mulkey demonstrated here.
Well, the coach from the Cavs got run the other week and did a lot less. Just yelled for the most part.

The UConn coach got run for waving his arms at the crowd after the first one.

Calipari got run by Doug Surmonn at South Carolina and all he did was keep coming down to the table at him and was swiftly ejected.

Mulkey followed the official onto the floor after she air punched at the official within 7 or 8 feet of him. He gave a T properly but she did not leave and still was there.

Now I am not saying that others have not gotten away with things, but I have seen this year officials just yell across the court and they did not stay or gestured as Hurley did at UConn.

Obviously, those at HS are different. And I was in a game wherein the playoffs we should have run one of the coaches that followed my partner to the end line, but he gave him one T, and the best person to give the second one was our other partner and he hardly tried to get the coach back. So I agree and understand we all let things go based on the situation, but just surprised this was not an ejection that would have been supported I can only imagine. The only reason it did not appear to happen was the female official clearly said something that stopped Mulkey in her tracks. And if you notice she said nothing after that offiical checked her. She probably was told something that the mask benefited the interaction. I know this past year I was saying things I would have never said because of having a mask on.

Again, just surprised what she did, she was allowed to stay. Maybe they did not want to trouble trouble with the game nearly over.

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... this past year I was saying things I would have never said because of having a mask on ...
Agree.

I've also paid more attention to what I was saying from behind my mask the past two years.

Saying the same thing with a smile can mean something very different from saying it with an angry expression.

Of course, if the coach, or player, can't see your face, what one says could be taken the "wrong" way.
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Agree.

I've also paid more attention to what I was saying from behind my mask the past two years.

Saying the same thing with a smile can mean something very different from saying it with an angry expression.

Of course, if the coach, or player, can't see your face, what one says could be taken the "wrong" way.
I am not talking about saying something to not be seen as wrong. I mean saying things you would have never said because no one can see your facial expressions or hear you clearly. I would not be surprised if the officials cursed at Mulkey, because it would be harder to "prove."

Honestly, I have not really cared how they took it if it got the point across. I know that they would say things through their mask that would be seen differently if they did not have the mask on, and I said things back. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

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