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Old Sun Jan 02, 2022, 12:42pm
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I believe as long as they don't normally show (like when a player just stands straight) then any color is fine. Otherwise, if they normally extend below the bottom of the shorts, they need to be the same basic color of the shorts.

At least I remember something like that.

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Old Sun Jan 02, 2022, 12:55pm
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I believe as long as they don't normally show (like when a player just stands straight) then any color is fine. Otherwise, if they normally extend below the bottom of the shorts, they need to be the same basic color of the shorts.
BryanV21: 2017 called and wants their compression shorts back.

Headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, compression shorts, and tights, shall be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey. All of these items shall be the same color as worn by each player. Additionally, all of these items shall be the same color for all members of a team who choose to wear them. Anything worn on the arm, and/or the leg (except a knee brace), is defined as a sleeve, including knee pads, and elbow pads, and must be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the uniform jersey.

Previous to a rule change in 2016-17, compression shorts (tights) had to be the same color as the uniform shorts. Since then, tights (compression shorts) must be black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, depending on the color of all equipment (not knee braces, not hair control devices) worn by all members of the team.

There are no color restrictions on uniform shorts, they can be all the colors of the rainbow, and can be different colors for different team members, something we often see here in my little corner of Connecticut when junior varsity players play in the subsequent varsity game.

Also, as of 2014-15, there are no longer any rule references to "school colors", but we still have some players, coaches, and, unfortunately, officials that believe that "school color" rules still exist.

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Old Sun Jan 02, 2022, 02:35pm
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... there are no rule references to "school colors", but we still have some players, coaches, and, unfortunately, officials that believe that "school color" rules exist ...
Have there ever been "school color" rules in the rulebook, or is this just another myth passed down from generation to generation by players and coaches as they sit around campfires eating s'mores?
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Old Sun Jan 02, 2022, 02:43pm
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Have there ever been "school color" rules in the rulebook, or is this just another myth passed down from generation to generation by players and coaches as they sit around campfires eating s'mores?
2013-14 interps

SITUATION 2: Prior to the start of the game, an official notices that several Team A members are wearing: (a) white wristbands and white headbands; or (b) black arm sleeves and white leg sleeves; or (c) black leg sleeves and white headbands.
RULING: Legal in (a) and (c); illegal in (b). In (a), wristbands and headbands shall be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and shall be the same for each item for all participants. In (b) illegal, the arm and leg sleeves shall be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and the same color for each team member. In (c), the rules do not require wristbands, headbands, arm and leg sleeves to all be the same color. (3-5-3, 3-5-4a)

SITUATION 3: The announcer announces (a) who scores (b) who fouls, (c) time left in the quarter.
RULING: Legal in (a) and (b); illegal in (c). In (a) and (b), the announcer is allowed to give basic information during the course of the game, such as who the foul is on, who is shooting free throws, which team is taking a time-out and the length of the time-out. In (c), announcing the amount of time left in the quarter is not information that should be given since there is a visible clock for all to see. There is no penalty. The announcer should be handled in the same manner as a scorekeeper or timer who are not in compliance with the spirit of the game. Appropriate training by school personnel and proper pregame instructions by the referee are necessary. (1-18)

SITUATION 4: Player A1 wears a red arm sleeve and his/her teammate, Player A2, wears a black leg sleeve.
RULING: Illegal. If worn, the leg and arm sleeves shall be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and the same for each team member. (3-5-3)
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Old Sun Jan 02, 2022, 03:09pm
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2013-14 interps

SITUATION 2: Prior to the start of the game, an official notices that several Team A members are wearing: (a) white wristbands and white headbands; or (b) black arm sleeves and white leg sleeves; or (c) black leg sleeves and white headbands. RULING: Legal in (a) and (c); illegal in (b). In (a), wristbands and headbands shall be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and shall be the same for each item for all participants. In (b) illegal, the arm and leg sleeves shall be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and the same color for each team member. In (c), the rules do not require wristbands, headbands, arm and leg sleeves to all be the same color. (3-5-3, 3-5-4a)

SITUATION 4: Player A1 wears a red arm sleeve and his/her teammate, Player A2, wears a black leg sleeve.
RULING: Illegal. If worn, the leg and arm sleeves shall be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and the same for each team member. (3-5-3)
Thanks bob jenkins. 2013-14 was the last we heard about "school colors".

2013-14: 3-5-4-A: Wristbands and headwear must meet the following guidelines: Headbands and wristbands must be white, black, beige or a single solid school color and must be the same color for each item and all participants.

2014-15: 3-5-4-A: Wristbands and headwear must meet the following guidelines: Headbands and wristbands must be white, black, beige or the predominant color of the jersey and must be the same color for each item and all participants.
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Old Sun Jan 02, 2022, 03:16pm
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2013-14 interps: SITUATION 2: Prior to the start of the game, an official notices that several Team A members are wearing: (c) black leg sleeves and white headbands. RULING: Legal in (c); In (c), the rules do not require wristbands, headbands, arm and leg sleeves to all be the same color. (3-5-3, 3-5-4a)
I had forgotten that this (above) was legal only eight years ago.

Nice of the NFHS to simply the color restrictions. I wish that they would simply them a little bit more. I would not be adverse to ignoring all colors from the waist down.

Color restrictions above the waist? I can take them, or leave them, as long as the NFHS keeps the color restrictions for undershirts.
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Old Sun Jan 02, 2022, 03:27pm
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I would not be adverse to ignoring all colors from the waist down. Color restrictions above the waist? I can take them, or leave them, as long as the NFHS keeps the color restrictions for undershirts.
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By custom, in my little corner of Connecticut, we allow illegal undershirts in scrimmages. I've worked preseason jamboree type scrimmages where players from several teams wear reversible practice jerseys (for some reason Connecticut frowns upon real jerseys being worn in scrimmages) and reverse their jerseys (but not their undershirts) depending on which teams are participating that period. Based on those scrimmage experiences over forty years, I can tell you with 100% certainty that undershirt colors not matching jerseys, different color undershirts on teammates, and different color undershirts on opponents, can turn easy calls into slightly more difficult calls, especially during rebounding action, both for out of bounds, and for fouls.
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I just got back from a girls scrimmage, three girls teams, all wearing reversible scrimmage vests, almost all wearing a T-shirt under their scrimmage vests, almost all white T-shirts, although there were several other colors thrown in. I'm the trail, ball goes out of bounds off the defense on my sideline. I sound my whistle, point in the correct direction, and state "White". But it wasn't white ball. It was blue ball. Why did I screw up? Because we had three teams, all with a choice of two color reversible scrimmage vests, playing alternating periods, all with mostly white T-shirts. The closest girl to me for the team that was supposed to get the ball was wearing a blue scrimmage vest, but there was a lot of white showing from underneath, two sleeves, and quite a bit of white showing from under the scoop top of the vest. I noticed that I really had to pay close attention to who was on offense, and who was on defense. Who was setting screens, and who was in the paint too long? Who was pushing who while battling for rebounds? This game is a little easier to officiate when the players are wearing the correct color undershirts.
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Green jerseys and white jerseys. Lots of different undershirt colors, some legal. Instructed coaches to get it fixed (allowed light gray for white). Both coaches complain ("only middle school, we never did this before", I actually believed them) and they go to instruct their players. I can see that a few players (remember it's girls) on both teams seem be very upset. So, I call both coaches back together and say that I would be willing to compromise and that if any players were very upset they could wear the illegal undershirts ... Fourth period, partner on endline after whistle. I'm closer to the table and beckon in substitutes, lots of them, two, or three from each team. I keep my hand up until I'm sure that we have five players from each team on the court. I then realize that players on the "White Jersey Team" have both green shorts and white shorts, and the players on the "Green Jersey Team" have on both green shorts and white shorts (it's now very obvious to me that both school have the same school colors, green and white), certainly all 100% perfectly legal. But players on the "White Jersey Team" have both green undershirts and white undershirts, and the players on the "Green Jersey Team" have on both green undershirts and white undershirts. I try to count twice, still not 100% sure, now totally exasperated, near the end of my rope, and close to the breaking point, I bring my hand down and yell to my partner, "Play".
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