Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046273)

I would not be adverse to ignoring all colors from the waist down. Color restrictions above the waist? I can take them, or leave them, as long as the NFHS keeps the color restrictions for undershirts.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1037388)

By custom, in my little corner of Connecticut, we allow illegal undershirts in scrimmages. I've worked preseason jamboree type scrimmages where players from several teams wear reversible practice jerseys (for some reason Connecticut frowns upon real jerseys being worn in scrimmages) and reverse their jerseys (but not their undershirts) depending on which teams are participating that period. Based on those scrimmage experiences over forty years, I can tell you with 100% certainty that undershirt colors not matching jerseys, different color undershirts on teammates, and different color undershirts on opponents, can turn easy calls into slightly more difficult calls, especially during rebounding action, both for out of bounds, and for fouls.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 994118)

I just got back from a girls scrimmage, three girls teams, all wearing reversible scrimmage vests, almost all wearing a T-shirt under their scrimmage vests, almost all white T-shirts, although there were several other colors thrown in. I'm the trail, ball goes out of bounds off the defense on my sideline. I sound my whistle, point in the correct direction, and state "White". But it wasn't white ball. It was blue ball. Why did I screw up? Because we had three teams, all with a choice of two color reversible scrimmage vests, playing alternating periods, all with mostly white T-shirts. The closest girl to me for the team that was supposed to get the ball was wearing a blue scrimmage vest, but there was a lot of white showing from underneath, two sleeves, and quite a bit of white showing from under the scoop top of the vest. I noticed that I really had to pay close attention to who was on offense, and who was on defense. Who was setting screens, and who was in the paint too long? Who was pushing who while battling for rebounds? This game is a little easier to officiate when the players are wearing the correct color undershirts.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1029675)

Green jerseys and white jerseys. Lots of different undershirt colors, some legal. Instructed coaches to get it fixed (allowed light gray for white). Both coaches complain ("only middle school, we never did this before", I actually believed them) and they go to instruct their players. I can see that a few players (remember it's girls) on both teams seem be very upset. So, I call both coaches back together and say that I would be willing to compromise and that if any players were very upset they could wear the illegal undershirts ... Fourth period, partner on endline after whistle. I'm closer to the table and beckon in substitutes, lots of them, two, or three from each team. I keep my hand up until I'm sure that we have five players from each team on the court. I then realize that players on the "White Jersey Team" have both green shorts and white shorts, and the players on the "Green Jersey Team" have on both green shorts and white shorts (it's now very obvious to me that both school have the same school colors, green and white), certainly all 100% perfectly legal. But players on the "White Jersey Team" have both green undershirts and white undershirts, and the players on the "Green Jersey Team" have on both green undershirts and white undershirts. I try to count twice, still not 100% sure, now totally exasperated, near the end of my rope, and close to the breaking point, I bring my hand down and yell to my partner, "Play".

Originally Posted by Mike Goodwin (Post 1046271)

I might have overlooked if I hadn't had to count photos while scrolling through. That's nearly a practical joke, Zooch!

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 1046284)

I still don't have a consensus on the ruling if a player is wearing different length leg tights. Legal? or Illegal?

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046260)

Legal tights ... There are no "length restrictions" on any equipment (sans headbands and wristbands) except for undershirt sleeves.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1046285)

NCAAW: A.R. 14. A1 is wearing tights that extend below the game shorts. The left leg is longer than the right leg. RULING: Illegal. Similar to an undershirt, both legs must be the same length. A1 may not participate until they are properly attired.(Rule 1-23.2)

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1046285)

NCAAW:
A.R. 14. A1 is wearing tights that extend below the game shorts. The left leg is
longer than the right leg.
RULING: Illegal. Similar to an undershirt, both legs must be the
same length. A1 may not participate until they are properly attired.
(Rule 1-23.2)

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046288)

Same for Men.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1046285)

NCAAW ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046290)

Makes me wonder.

How does a college official determine the difference between tights (with their specific restrictions) and thigh sleeves (as worn for hamstring injuries)?

No way am I asking a young woman if those are tights or sleeves.

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046291)

If I see a garment well below the shorts on one leg and something barely peeking out the on the other leg, I don't ask. I go to the player and tell them "Your tights have to be worn the same length on each leg." If they have only a single sleeve, they will tell us such. If the have a tight pulled up on one leg, they fix it. Don't think I've yet met a player clever enough to say one leg is a sleeve and the other is just showing the bottom of their compression shorts.

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1046291)

If I see a garment ...

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1046292)

I ask, "Do those tights have a waistband?" That usually starts the conversation ...

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046293)

Maybe someday it will be a NFHS rule, and I'll be ready for such situations.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1046292)

... we get to the bottom of the situation.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046290)

No way am I asking a young woman if "those" are tights or sleeves.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1046295)

I'm not sure. Is this a pun?

JRutledge is usually so serious on the Forum. A pun like this would be so unlike his usual presence on the Forum.

Pun, or not, this is one of his funniest posts ever.