Minnesota approves HS shot clock for 2023

[tnolan]

Please bring the shot clock to PA. I'm ready. Let's do it.
I've always been pro-shot clock, but I think it's time.

We tend to always discuss "stalling" as the reason to implement the shot clock into HS bball, and I agree that it is a good reason. But looking at it from the other side, I also think that it would benefit teams who are trailing late in games. The potential opportunity for comebacks would increase when offensive possession time is limited.

Either way, any justification, pros/cons, whatever. I don't care how many issues or growing pains we have. I think the game needs it and could bring another level of excitement to HS bball.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tnolan

I think the game needs it and could bring another level of excitement to HS bball.

What? The alternating possession arrow wasn't exciting enough for you?

[ilyazhito]

I would not call the AP arrow exciting. It reduces contested possessions to a coin flip.

I agree with tnolan on the shot clock, and would add that it restores the balance between offense and defense. If the offense has a limited time to shoot, they are forced to be more efficient with the time they do have. The defense can work in bursts to pressure the offense and prevent good shots.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tnolan

... bring another level of excitement to HS bball.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What? The alternating possession arrow wasn't exciting enough for you?

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I would not call the AP arrow exciting.

My undergraduate teacher training taught me to never be sarcastic with my students. Based on my post-graduate teacher training training, I used the same policy with teachers I trained, and with teachers I evaluated.

I should know better.

[ilyazhito]

On the Internet, you can't hear intonation, or always tell that someone is being sarcastic, unless you see blue text or the /s tag.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

On the Internet, you can't hear intonation ...

Agree. But that probably won't stop me from trying.

And I'm not a big fan of the blue text.

It's like having to explain to someone why a joke is funny, it often ruins the joke.



(Seinfeld, The Cartoon, 1998)

[tnolan]

Most of the shot clock CONS seem to come from the school side.
Scoreboard upgrades, costs, hardware, and personnel to operate.

Referee CONS seem to be more geared towards:
Learning curves, one more rule to worry about, operator error, and multiple stoppages.
In my opinion, once you've had a few goes at working with it, it's a simple/logical rule to apply. If this, then that. Add in a case or two, you're all set. You put leniency of time into play and it becomes a bit easier (allow 3-4 seconds for stop/start/reset issues) and your stoppages go way down. Add 3 minutes to your pregame routine and a quick run-through with the operator and you're in good shape.

I think it'll mesh into how everything else currently works. Some schools will be great and you'll have no issues, while others will be horrible. Shot clock mistakes can be made by officials, but I'd argue the majority are due to operator error (no offense to them personally). So as long as the coaches are aware that this brings in another layer, mostly at the table, I think everything will work out just fine for adding it to new states. Another rule for coaches to learn that they won't!

Ultimately the shot clock is for the game and not the kids, which is why I think we only see it in 12(?) states and not 50.

[ilyazhito]

Originally Posted by ilyazhito

I would not call the AP arrow exciting. It reduces contested possessions to a coin flip.

I agree with tnolan on the shot clock, and would add that it restores the balance between offense and defense. If the offense has a limited time to shoot, they are forced to be more efficient with the time they do have. The defense can work in bursts to pressure the offense and prevent good shots.

Enough of the off-topic digressions. I say good on MN for adopting the shot clock, and hopefully it helps basketball in their state.