Its Got No Teeth ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You can quote yourself in this discussion all you like ...

I was paraphrasing the new NFHS rules editor for basketball.

One can solely say, "It's not in the book", and be correct in one's local area, or state, but don't count on the NFHS to back you up.

The NFHS will back you up if you say, "This vanished interpretation is no longer correct because rule XXX changed", or "because X.X.X changed the vanished interpretation".

But "It's not in the book" alone will no longer cut the mustard.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was paraphrasing the new NFHS rules editor for basketball.

One can solely say, "It's not in the book", and be correct in one's local area, or state, but don't count on the NFHS to back you up.

I do not work for the NF and the NF does not give me games or any assignments whatsoever. So not worried about what they would back me up with. They are not the people I ever have to answer to. In one state we never take any NF tests. So why would someone like me care in that situation?

Exactly!!!!

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I was paraphrasing the new NFHS rules editor for basketball.

One can solely say, "It's not in the book", and be correct in one's local area, or state, but don't count on the NFHS to back you up.

The NFHS will back you up if you say, "This vanished interpretation is no longer correct because rule XXX changed", or "because X.X.X changed the vanished interpretation".

But "It's not in the book" alone will no longer cut the mustard.

...in your Little Corner of Connecticut.

Not sure how you can speak for others and their situations.

I'm trying to figure out whom exactly I would be having a conversation with in which the phrase "the vanished interpretation says...." is made.

I've never had the NFHS come in and "back me up" before. What does that look like?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I've never had the NFHS come in and "back me up" before. What does that look like?

It looks like a NFHS rulebook or NFHS casebook citations.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It looks like a NFHS rulebook or NFHS casebook citations.

So it will be listed directly in the published books? If the answer is no, then what are we talking about here?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So it will be listed directly in the published books?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Lindsey Atkinson, the new NFHS rules editor for basketball ... stated that as long as there are no relevant rule changes, or interpretation changes, to invalidate such, old vanished interpretations are still officially considered to be valid by the NFHS ... Ms. Atkinson announced that a statement regarding the continued validity of old vanished interpretations (with no relevant rule changes or interpretation changes to invalidate such), will probably be printed in the beginning of the NFHS Casebook and/or Rulebook, starting in 2022-23.

If by published you mean all valid interpretations printed in a book with paper pages, then probably not.

The idea of a searchable digital file has been discussed, but it definitely won't be the NFHS that initially builds this database. If built, I hope that the NFHS would publish it (online), and that it not be only made available to IAABO members.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It looks like a NFHS rulebook or NFHS casebook citations.

Well, if it's an active publication, why would I need to the NFHS come in and "back me up". I just say "it's in the rule book/case book" or "the NFHS put out an interpretation for this play for the 2021-22 season".

I think delusions about what the NFHS does, especially in-season.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I just say "it's in the rule book/case book" or "the NFHS put out an interpretation for this play for the 2021-22 season".

Or the NFHS put out an interpretation (caseplay or annual) for this play in 2015, and has stated that old interpretations are still officially valid if there haven't been any relevant rule changes, or interpretation changes, to invalidate such, and there haven't been in this situation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Or the NFHS put out an interpretation (caseplay or annual) for this play in 2015, and has stated that old interpretations are still officially valid if there haven't been any relevant rule changes, or interpretation changes, to invalidate such, and there haven't been in this situation.

I'm in a brick locker room with no Wi-Fi access having a pre-game with 2 newer officials, so I'm not saying something stupid like that.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I'm in a brick locker with no Wi-Fi access having a pre-game with 2 newer officials, so I'm not saying something stupid like that.

Another good point.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Ms. Atkinson announced that a statement regarding the continued validity of old vanished interpretations (with no relevant rule changes or interpretation changes to invalidate such), will probably be printed in the beginning of the NFHS Casebook and/or Rulebook, starting in 2022-23.

Look guys, I'm not saying the anybody here has to jump the gun. All I'm saying is that it's coming down the pike. Might even take a full year to show up in written form.

At this point we all know that the NFHS has never announced that annual interpretations and vanished caseplays have a statute of limitations.

Also, the idea that old vanished interpretations (with no relevant rule changes or interpretation changes to invalidate such) are still valid has never been published by the NFHS, and has never been made known to any of you by any source more reliable than Camron Rust or BillyMac.

Don't believe me? Fine. Don't believe Camron Rust? Fine.

Why would we lie, or mislead? Why would our sources mislead us?

Don't put any of this into action this year. I get it. I would do the same and not put something like this into action before checking with my local interpreter.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

I'm trying to figure out whom exactly I would be having a conversation with in which the phrase "the vanished interpretation says...." is made.

This is the one that sticks out in my mind.

10.6.1 Situation E: B1 attempts to steal the ball from stationary A1 who is holding the ball. B1 misses the ball and falls to the floor. In dribbling away, A1 contacts B1's leg, loses control of the ball and falls to the floor. Ruling: No infraction or foul has occurred and play continues. Unless B1 made an effort to trip or block A1, he/she is entitled to a position on the court even if it is momentarily lying on the floor after falling down (vanished from casebook in 2005-06).

Could be conversation with another official, or possibly a coach.