Strange Case Continued ...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You keep talking about the NF's position as if they do not have their member states give interpretations which is often local anyway.

All Forum members don't speak IAABO language. We all don't speak Connecticut language. We all don't speak Illinois language.

But we do all speak NFHS language, it's the Rosetta Stone of basketball officiating.

Yes, local language could, can, does, and should override NFHS language, but to use such local language on the Forum, with no disclaimers, would turn the Forum into the Tower of Babel, making it difficult to get anything accomplished.

I would never state on the Forum that one is allowed to wear a black belt with one's uniform without also stating that this may only true in my little corner of Connecticut, it may not even be true for the entire state.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

All Forum members don't speak IAABO language. We all don't speak Connecticut language. We all don't speak Illinois language.

But we do all speak NFHS language, it's the Rosetta Stone of basketball officiating.

There is no "language" we just officiate. I do not care what people do around the country and certainly not states that I never see teams from those places. I just officiate.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Yes, local language could, can, does, and should override NFHS language, but to use such local language on the Forum, with no disclaimers, would turn the Forum into the Tower of Babel, making it difficult to get anything accomplished.

I work with officials in multiple states from time to time. No one goes around talking about, "Well in Ohio we do....." We call the game and we use the language of the level we are working. You are making it very hard on yourself if you think there are things we do not do universally. Referee Magazine does not discuss officiating from only Wisconsin when they publish their materials.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I would never state on the Forum that one is allowed to wear a black belt with one's uniform without also stating that this may only true in my little corner of Connecticut, it may not even be true for the entire state.

It is pretty universal not to wear a belt. We do not have to go around telling people not to do this, they can look and figure that out. But if they need training on the subject we direct them in the right direction. Kind of like this topic you keep bringing up.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is no "language" we just officiate.

Officiate ... and post on the Forum.

We need some common language to communicate properly.

Deviating locally, or statewide, from NFHS rules and mechanics is fine, but only if one stays local, once one ventures and communicates outside of one's area, we need a common language to get anything accomplished, and lacking anything better, it NFHS language.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Officiate ... and post on the Forum.

We need some common language to communicate properly.

Deviating locally, or statewide, from NFHS rules and mechanics is fine, but only if one stays local, once one ventures and communicates outside of one's area, we need a common language to get anything accomplished, and lacking anything better, it NFHS language.

Most officials never come to any forum to discuss rules in detail. So not sure what language you are talking about related to one type of play or situation that most officials are not ruling on. That is not about language that is about understanding. Again if this is something you struggling with, talk with them in detail. Not sure why you are trying to get people here to agree with you?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most officials never come to any forum to discuss rules in detail.

JRutledge's most ridiculous post ever (I will apologize to JRutledge if moderators think I was over the top).

Any forum? Maybe (I don't participate in other forums except the Official Forum, except for an occasional You Tube event).

But in regard to the Official Forum? What has JRutledge been reading all these years?

The Forum is quite often about details.

Sometimes we quibble about single words (i.e., "opponent" for distracting a free thrower).

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not sure why you are trying to get people here to agree with you?

I'm not. Just responding to, or answering, posts. My opinions only.

Don't really care a lot if anybody disagrees with me, but will graciously thank those who are able to change my mind with facts.

I'm always trying to improve my rules knowledge.

When in Rome ... trumps NFHS language, but only when in Rome.

But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.” So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth. (Genesis 11:5-9)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge's most ridiculous post ever (I will apologize to JRutledge if moderators think I was over the top).

Any forum? Maybe (I don't participate in other forums except the Official Forum, except for an occasional You Tube event).

But in regard to the Official Forum? What has JRutledge been reading all these years?

The Forum is quite often about details.

Most officials are not people we see on this forum. And if you just look at this forum specifically, only a handful of people participate this compared to what I might see at an association meeting. Most officials do not come to social media sites of any kind to discuss officiating. It is becoming more common, but not something that officials do on a regular basis. How do I know? Because I can discuss things with officials and certain officials are even unaware that things were being discussed about a rule. I have pushed people for years to come to forums like this, but most do not watch them. Even my Officiating Born pages, it is usually younger and newer officials that are familiar with the platforms that use them. I have older guys even around my age that did not know I had a play library. So no, it is not something that most people do (Rome or not). Again the only place I have had this constant conversation about this POE is from this specific place. Not heavily discussed anywhere else that I go. I do not mind these discussions or this site, because I have been on them almost my entire career. Way before Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, or TickToc when the internet was new and a novelty to many. People did not even normally have the internet at home other than a dial-up connection back then. I am the moderator of a few local association groups on Facebook and we hardly have membership participation in those situations because people are even unaware we use them. Again the average age of officials is over 50 here and most of the people that use those forums are much younger in age.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, TickToc

What are these Facebooks, Twitters, Snapchats, and TickTocs that you speak of?

I have to go now and yell at the neighbor kids to get off my front lawn or I will turn the garden hose on them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

JRutledge's most ridiculous post ever (I will apologize to JRutledge if moderators think I was over the top).

Any forum? Maybe (I don't participate in other forums except the Official Forum, except for an occasional You Tube event).

But in regard to the Official Forum? What has JRutledge been reading all these years?

The Forum is quite often about details.

Sometimes we quibble about single words (i.e., "opponent" for distracting a free thrower).

...

Jeff is 100% correct, most officials do not come to social media sites to discuss rules or plays. Most officials I know have never even heard of this website.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is pretty universal not to wear a belt.

Glad you added the qualifier "pretty", because not here. Had a guy wear a belt in a state final only a few years ago.

IAABO International tells us beltless pants. We're a rebel outlier.

Statewide, we point to floor for a two point field goal try when the shooter has a foot touching three point line. Not IAABO International approved. Again, we're a rebel outlier. If I were to describe this mechanic on the Forum, I would clearly state that it may be only a local (state) mechanic, never expecting anybody else to use it, or ask anybody else to approve of it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Glad you added the qualifier "pretty", because not here. Had a guy wear a belt in a state final only a few years ago.

There is always an official that is going to look silly. Heck there are officials that wear white-soled shoes with mostly black shoes, but that does not mean I see that on a regular basis. Didn't say it was absolutely forbidden at all costs. Just not something people look fondly on. I have seen officials wear belts at the State Finals here, but the guys are rather old and workding small girl's basketball. Not a dig, just the only time I have seen it happen.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Statewide, we point to floor for a two point field goal try when the shooter has a foot touching three point line. If I were to describe this mechanic on the Forum, I would clearly state that it may be only a local (state) mechanic, never expecting anybody else to use it, or ask anybody else to approve of it.

That is a pretty universal thing at both the college and high school ranks. It is advocated to help any confusion and identify you saw the foot on the line and not have another official go up with a good 3 point shot. It would not consider this a state mechanic or even local thing. See officials do this all the time and not even sure this is mentioned in the CCA Book either. So not special to your little corner.

Peac

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There is always an official that is going to look silly. Heck there are officials that wear white-soled shoes with mostly black shoes, but that does not mean I see that on a regular basis. Didn't say it was absolutely forbidden at all costs. Just not something people look fondly on. I have seen officials wear belts at the State Finals here, but the guys are rather old and workding small girl's basketball. Not a dig, just the only time I have seen it happen.







That is a pretty universal thing at both the college and high school ranks. It is advocated to help any confusion and identify you saw the foot on the line and not have another official go up with a good 3 point shot. It would not consider this a state mechanic or even local thing. See officials do this all the time and not even sure this is mentioned in the CCA Book either. So not special to your little corner.



Peac

Billy thinks you're not allowed to use any type of nonverbal communication that is not documented in a manual somewhere.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Billy thinks you're not allowed to use any type of nonverbal communication that is not documented in a manual somewhere.

It is if you are observed by by IAABO International observers. We've been "dinged" in evaluations several times.

Stupid out-of-state carpetbaggers.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It is if you are observed by by IAABO International observers. We've been "dinged" in evaluations several times.

Stupid out-of-state carpetbaggers.

Do they pull you out of the game at halftime and replace you with a belted, veteran referee?

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It is if you are observed by by IAABO International observers. We've been "dinged" in evaluations several times.

Many years ago we were "dinged" by the IAABO out-of-state carpetbagging Grand Poobahs because we used a not-IAABO approved "not closely guarded" signal. Being the obedient, brown-nosing sheep that the Connecticut IAABO state board was back then, the entire State of Connecticut stopped using the signal. A few years later, IAABO added the same signal to their approved signal list.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Raymond

Billy thinks you're not allowed to use any type of nonverbal communication that is not documented in a manual somewhere.

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He must have been really upset when we used the kicking signal before it was approved by the NF.

Peace