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Old Sun Sep 12, 2021, 12:17pm
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POEs are for the season for which the rule book is written. They are written because the rules makers don't feel officials are properly or consistently enforcing a particular rule.

Why would a POE stay in the book every year? I'll repeat this again, but an effective POE is supposed to disappear.

Are we going to question every single POE that has disappeared? Why are we stuck on this one?

And I wish you would quit with this devil's advocate mission you seem to have assigned to yourself. We don't need a devil's advocate. We are intelligent people who know how to ask questions if we don't understand or want clarification. We don't need you running interference. To me when you ask these questions and create these debates, it's because you need clarification. Stop feeling like you're speaking for some silent minority who's afraid to speak for themselves.

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Old Sun Sep 12, 2021, 12:31pm
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POEs are for the season for which the rule book is written. They are written because the rules makers don't feel officials are properly or consistently enforcing a particular rule. Why would a POE stay in the book every year? I'll repeat this again, but an effective POE is supposed to disappear. Why are we stuck on this one?
Agree. Well stated. This is different because it doesn't even match the rules language for the season in which it appeared, equating fouls to certain body parts to certain penalties (I'm agreeing with JRutledge). It's not in the rules language, only in the Point of Emphasis, that, as Raymond so elegantly stated, properly disappeared. Thus the only citation we have that equates fouls to certain body parts to certain penalties has disappeared.

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This POE is quite odd.
Stupid NFHS.
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Old Sun Sep 12, 2021, 01:01pm
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POEs are for the season for which the rule book is written. They are written because the rules makers don't feel officials are properly or consistently enforcing a particular rule.

Why would a POE stay in the book every year? I'll repeat this again, but an effective POE is supposed to disappear.

Are we going to question every single POE that has disappeared? Why are we stuck on this one?

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I do not think that POEs are just for what officials are not doing right. I think there are situations that need to be clarified to all participants. Of course we are to enforce rules and are more likely to look at the rules. But I do believe that there are things that coaches teach that are misunderstandings. I only say this because having been a football, baseball and softball umpire in my career, it seems like they are covering things that cause a lot of conflict with coaches and officials.

I think the reason the NF has now addressed Euro Steps and Spin Moves, is because coaches get really upset when you call these situations as violations. They do not realize that because it has a "name" it does not mean they are executed legally. I cannot tell you how many times I have called a traveling on a spin move and you would think I had never read a rulebook in my life based on the reaction of the coach and the fans. Then they tell you things that are not related to our rules.

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Old Sun Sep 12, 2021, 01:07pm
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And I wish you would quit with this devil's advocate mission you seem to have assigned to yourself. We don't need a devil's advocate. We are intelligent people who know how to ask questions if we don't understand or want clarification. We don't need you running interference. To me when you ask these questions and create these debates, it's because you need clarification. Stop feeling like you're speaking for some silent minority who's afraid to speak for themselves.

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Old Sun Sep 12, 2021, 01:35pm
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