Fun With Up And Down …

Robert Goodman · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 06, 2021, 07:22pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Assuming the player had the ball with a pivot foot on the floor and then raised the pivot foot, all the player can do is shoot, pass or request a TO.

Starting a dribble is a violation.

But how does anyone know it's a dribble until the ball is touched again? Is the violation then retroactive to when the player released the ball, starting the dribble? Or when the player touches the ball again, making it a dribble?

bob jenkins · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 06, 2021, 07:41pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Goodman

But how does anyone know it's a dribble until the ball is touched again?

99.44% of the time it's obvious.

Otherwise, wait until it's touched. The violation is for *releasing* the ball on a dribble.

BillyMac · #3 (**permalink**) Wed Jul 07, 2021, 01:27am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

99.44% of the time it's obvious. Otherwise, wait until it's touched. The violation is for *releasing* the ball on a dribble.

I wait until it's touched otherwise it could be the start of a legal bounce pass.

RefLarry · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 08, 2021, 07:01am

This is not a traveling violation according to IAABO

as BillyM says"Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum."

Play Commentary
White #35 appears to jump to attempt a try when the ball slips from his grasp. White #35 then returns to the floor and recovers the ball.
This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play.
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)
A player may legally recover a fumble, which is what occurred in this play. After recovering the ball, the ball handler would establish a pivot foot outlined in the traveling rules. (4-44)

JRutledge · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 08, 2021, 10:23am

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Originally Posted by RefLarry

This is not a traveling violation according top IAABO

as BillyM says"Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum."

Play Commentary
White #35 appears to jump to attempt a try when the ball slips from his grasp. White #35 then returns to the floor and recovers the ball.
This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play.
A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)
A player may legally recover a fumble, which is what occurred in this play. After recovering the ball, the ball handler would establish a pivot foot outlined in the traveling rules. (4-44)

Is this the IAABO commentary about the play like BM normally posts or is this your spin on this play?

And I totally agree with this commentary BTW.

Peace

BillyMac · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 08, 2021, 10:28am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is this the IAABO commentary about the play like BM normally posts ...

Yes.

Disclaimer: For IAABO eyes only. Below is not a NFHS interpretation, it's only an IAABO International interpretation which obviously doesn't mean a hill of beans to most members of this Forum.

https://storage.googleapis.com/refqu...%2FMYUhw%3D%3D

IAABO Play Commentary Correct Answer: This is not a traveling violation.

White #35 appears to jump to attempt a try when the ball slips from his grasp. White #35 then returns to the floor and recovers the ball.

This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play. A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)

A player may legally recover a fumble, which is what occurred in this play. After recovering the ball, the ball handler would establish a pivot foot outlined in the traveling rules. (4-44)

Here is the breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video: This is a traveling violation 71%. This is not a traveling violation 29% (including me).

BillyMac · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 08, 2021, 11:24am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Any chance that this could be considered a try for goal? A shooter can always retrieve his own airball if the official considers it to be a shot attempt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This is considered a fumble. By NFHS rules, this would be a legal play. A fumble is the accidental loss of player control when the ball unintentionally drops or slips from a player's grasp. (4-21)

Interesting to note that IAABO bases its interpretation on the fumble aspect, not the try for goal aspect (which was a stretch).

BillyMac · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Jul 08, 2021, 10:36am

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Originally Posted by RefLarry

This is not a traveling violation according top IAABO ...

What? No percentage breakdown of the IAABO members that commented on the video? RefLarry must have misplaced his Pickett Model N-500-ES Trig All Metal Slide Rule.